Sijun Forums :: View topic - what are you? colorblind?!?!...yeah, me too.

XCOTT · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 4:21 pm

no picture at the moment. i have been working as an artist for about 18 years and have never met another colorblind artist(my problem is in the red/green area). i was wondering if there are any others out there. i have my own methods to keep myself relatively on top of things. i was wondering how any of you others cope with it.

TTYL

XCOTT

ex · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 4:30 pm

That is interestring, i'd like to see some of your art if you dont mind.

burn0ut · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 4:46 pm

i checked out your website , damn your sketches are dope man !

nope im not colorblind. heh

JaffaCAke · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 4:47 pm

Hi, I'm not colourblind myself. I dont really understand what it looks like to someone colourblind, but i'd guess that you could work out some reds and green or at least work out a shape in a red and green only picture (like the one below that I made) by the difference in darkness and lightness between the colours and in the picture below it's been made so that hopefully you cant see the shape by black n white because the two colours are at teh same darkness but they are different colours, so only a non colourblind person could see em i spose. tell me if you can see what it says in the pci below

Nightime · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 4:58 pm

This is interesting indeed!

I'm not color blind, but I was wondering if your sense of values or shades is heightened, since your eyes have to compensate?

Like (and this is probably a bad example), a person who can't hear has very strong eye-sight.

JJ

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XCOTT · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 4:58 pm

this links has links to my other links : )

i gotta rush out but i'll get back on it after. here's apicture i had been planning on posting here. not color(i assume you'd wanna see how i handle color), i'll have to dig around to find something i can show.
ciao for now.
http://home.att.net/~xcott

burn0ut · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 5:02 pm

Damn! i love it!

good work

Nightime · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 5:05 pm

I wrote "I'm not color blind, but I was wondering if your sense of values or shades is heightened, since your eyes have to compensate?"

.........Well I guess it IS heightened, that drawing has nice sensitive values!

JJ

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JaffaCAke · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 5:10 pm

great pic

anticz · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 5:10 pm

Wow. Super cool design. Nice shading in the pants and shirt. I've known several color blind artists who kick ass because they really understood light and dark tones, and shading rather than relying on hue values. I'd like to see more of your stuff.

deranged · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 5:58 pm

Wow man , great stuff, i visited your webpage also. Very cool artwork, i especially liked the 'silly string' figure.. pretty impressive...

-deranged

Ian · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 7:57 pm

Yah im colorblind. Red/green just like you. From my fucking mom's side of the family. It pisses me off. You know the little girl in schinler's list with the red coat? Well it is BRIGHT FUCKING GREEN to me. Is that messed up or what.

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balistic · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 8:18 pm

I happen to work with Scott, and can attest to his rather awesome drawing skills. Sometimes I have to help him find proper skin tones, or make sure that his blues aren't getting too purple, but he does a good job picking the right colors most of the time.

Sometimes his Windows color scheme will start to drift into pastel purple territory, but as long as he hasn't stomped me at Quake lately, I'll tell him about it

Good to see you on the board ya bastahd.

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Dean Welsh · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 9:20 pm

There's an interesting topic from a couple months back in Random musings that deals with Colorblindness, and I ran across an interesting Photoshop filter awhile back that displays to non-color blind people how an image would appear to someone with Red-Green color blindness. I'll see if I can track those down a little later tonight.

-Dean

XCOTT · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 10:53 pm

i guess 'colorblindness' does come in different 'flavours'. What Ian described sounds more like color inversion. i don't think anyone'd blame you for being pissed. What i have is best likened to how some people have better hearing than others. i see red as red and green as green but once it drops below a certain threshold i can't see it. so i can see pure hues.

i have to intellectualize it somewhat. when it's not obvious by sight i 'see' by temperature, value and purity. i kind of know what it is by what it isn't, if that makes sense. maybe the process of elimination is more like it.

hey, thanks everyone for the positive strokes! : )

i think there's more i'd like to add more on this but i'm outta gas right now.

XCOTT · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2000 10:58 pm

oh yeah....
JaffaCAke
to kind of illustrate what i mentioned above...
i can see that you pic sez 'hi' cause the colors are really bright and the red is much darker. red is always gonna be warmer than green, but i can see then as what they are.

amnesia · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2000 7:55 am

HAHA I have news for you man, It doesn't say "hi" it says "blind" the other letters are in a differant hue the spots that look like "hi".

--- ok maybe not... soz

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XCOTT · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2000 8:42 am

i think you are joking but i honestly couldn't prove you wrong without help. it's kind of like being teased by something that will always be kept out of reach. welcome to never.

and you wonder why we get so edgy about it. : )

seriously, aside from the fact that as soon as someone finds out that you have this condition they start to point at everything and ask you what color you see('what color's my shirt? really, huh? weird!') and the occasional encounter with tyrannical photorealists who think that in addition to all the other necessary elements, chromatic subtlety and accuracy makes up the *only* true art(a friend of mine who works as a matte painter comes to mind : ) ). i don't feel that bad about it. i guess i was lucky that when i started i was into comics where the colors were flatter and brighter, and style was more desirable than accuracy.

i did for a time color people green because it was the closest to a fleshtone in my pack of markers. i think i was 8.

Scorchmon · Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2000 1:21 pm

I'm red/green color blind too, but I really have no idea how my sight is affected other than me failing those colored dot tests. I'm at a loss when I post color images and people tell me that I should have chosen better colors.

Dean Welsh · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2000 4:48 am

This might be of interest. http://www.colorfield.com/insight.html

-Dean

plant42 · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2000 5:24 am

I had an illustration professor that was colorblind, he's quite good, and he's a chairman on the society of illustrators, so anything is possible.
I remember him saying that 'color theory holds up even if you can't see the colors, you can still follow the rules. In a pinch, he'll get his wife to tell him what color something is.
He also tends towards monochromatic work too, but his paintings were pretty good.

I wouldn't worry about it - just get feedback when you're second-guessing yourself.

XCOTT · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2000 11:27 pm

Plant42, your instructor pretty much hit it on the nose. i've got some other notions but they'll have to wait. in the meantime, here's some color work i feel pretty good about. these are both backgrounds for the mini game from a game(rampage thru time, not the hippest game by current standards but it was fun) i got to work on.

Megamagnapore · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 2:02 pm

Re: the link to colorfield.com, that's my company. We make a Photoshop Plug-in that simulates colorblindness. I took the liberty of filtering the test image that was posted earlier. Check out the results! http://www.colorfield.com/Colorfiltered.html (forgive the sales pitch).

That image is a poor example of a specific test we've all taken (at one time or another) for colorblindness.

I'm not CB but know many guys who are. This filter wasn't made for them. It was made for those who can see the normal human color spectrum, who design stuff - packages, interfaces, labels, control panels, stop signs, etc.

- megamagnapore

Dean Welsh · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2000 3:11 am

Megamagnapore: Thank you.

I worked for a guy who was colorblind for awhile as a computer consultant. One day I was helping him with some program or another for his digital camera and I was explaining how it all worked.

"Click the one with the big red bounding box" I instructed

his cursor searched around the screen with his glance.

"The Red one" I repeated

"It would help if I could see that particular color." he flatly responded.

I was at a loss. Quite a simple, easy to use program was rendered almost utterly useless and cumbersome to this user by something as simple as a color.

It's not often we can so literally See with another persons eyes and experience something in their shoes. This is truely a fantastic experience.

*how's that for product testimonials.*