[Sigurd2000]

Hi you cool people

I just saw CTHD, it was very good, one of the best Kung fu movies I've seen, and one of the best movies I've seen period. I put it on my top 10.

But what do you guys think? I am curious...



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[absinthe]

i haven't seen it yet, but i have read several reviews and seen the trailers...and i can't wait. nothing like a good martial arts film to make my day a little (or a lot) better.

glad to know someone else liked it, now let's hope i'm not disappointed when i do get a chance to go see it...i don't think i will be though.

have you seen the re-release of 'legend of the drunken master?' damn that movie was good on the big screen. i haven't seen a movie that i enjoyed more for years.

[Maruman]

damn it i'm looking forward to CTHD. not coming out till jan5 in canberra

i've seen the trailer. man it looks so cool



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[Sigurd2000]

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Originally posted by absinthe:
have you seen the re-release of 'legend of the drunken master?' damn that movie was good on the big screen. i haven't seen a movie that i enjoyed more for years.

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Oh how I wanted to see that movie!!! But I was not able... Money was hard to come by at the time it came out. I'll have to catch the DVD when that's out.



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[M Cuevas]

CTHD is still playing at San Marcos Edwards cinema in San Diego for all my neighbors to see.

[Bishop_Six]

I don't want to see that movie for one reason: I can't stand it when they use wires in martial arts movies. When I see a martial arts movie I wanna see people do amazing things. Seeing someone jump 50 feet straight up just isn't impressive(unless it's the matrix, but that wasn't supposed to be real).

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[Sigurd2000]

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Originally posted by Bishop_Six:
I don't want to see that movie for one reason: I can't stand it when they use wires in martial arts movies. When I see a martial arts movie I wanna see people do amazing things. Seeing someone jump 50 feet straight up just isn't impressive(unless it's the matrix, but that wasn't supposed to be real).

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I love that stuf man! I thought the there may have been a bit too much wire work but I could deal. What I loved was the blade work. My fav fight was the battle of Jen vs. Li's woman. That was some good stuf!


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[This message has been edited by Sigurd2000 (edited December 23, 2000).]

[Ben Barker]

Heh, the Matrix. That is THE movie to rip off now. In the Matrix they explained how people could jump 40 feet, punch through walls, dodge bullets, etc.
It's pretty funny when movie writers today can't even come up with a reason, so they offer no explanation as to how their characters can do all of the matrix things. We're just supposed to accept it. I haven't seen CTHD yet, BTW.
I did see the promo for another teen witch show though. As if that wasn't a bad enough rip off, in the promo this girl held up her hand and used "magic" to stop bullets. I mean, STOP BULLETS! They even had the shimmering matrix shockwave trails behind them. It was absolutely shameless. I bet the character's name was Brinity.

[Per128!]

I tried keeping from responding to Ben Barkers message, but I just couldn't stop myself. Yet another American who thinks the good ol' US is the source of everything good. I'm sorry to sound so harsh, but I've seen this so many places now it's frustrating me to no end. THE MATRIX is One Big Rip-off itself. The Matrix did not in any way introduce anything new into the arena of kung fu or fighting in general. This stuff has been done for at least twenty years already in China and other parts of the world. Yes, I'm talking about the wire-fu, the exaggerated moves and physics. CTHD is just continuing the tradition of Hong Kong movies. But somehow most American newspapers and movie reviewers completely fail to see that fact. How many times have I not seen Charlie's angles regarded a Matrix-ripoff? It's a Hong Kong-ripoff, if anything. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'd love to see more Hi-budget Kung Fu, but as of now Hollywood movies are far behind what has been done in Asia for many years. Even with all their fancy computer effects. It's just like this comment I saw in an American newspaper upon the release of 'Rumble in the Bronx'... they addressed Jackie Chan as "the NEW action star...", after him having made over a hundred movies and being one of the worlds absolute biggest action stars already. Barker mentions that the lack of explanation for these 'supernatural powers' in some movies is a bad thing, that the writers can't come up with an explanation. Well, man, you're really failing to see some very basic facts here. Ninety-nine per cent of all action movies are totally unrealistic and offer no explanation whatsoever to how the characters came to possess these powers. Why not? Because having exaggerated action is standard, and most action movies would become boring without it. So, it gets to a point where people *expect* to see wild car chases.. unrealistic gun battles and stupid fights.. and then people don't require explanations anymore. Why waste time in *every single* action movie explaining why some characters can pull off certain larger-than-life moves? You want to see action. What difference does it make whether it's explained or not? You can accept such an absurd concept as the matrix world, and not the idea of somebody jumping 50 feet into the air? Realism is in no way the point of action movies. I mean.. complaining about the lack of realism in action movies is like complaining about the lack of intelligence on message boards. It goes completely against all logic. OK, I'm not just responding to poor Barker here, hehe.. don't mean to give you such a hard time.. but so many people are saying the exact same things, and hey.. they don't know the facts, and one thing they have to learn is they can't expect Hong Kong cinema to follow the standards of American cinema. Aww, man.. it's 2:50 am?

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[Ben Barker]

The example I gave was stopping bullets, and I never said the Matrix started wire kung-fu at all. The Matrix started a flood of Matrix look-alikes in America, including the example I did give, if you even read my post.

It pisses ME off to see yet another ignorant foreigner espousing what little knowledge of America he or she may have gleaned through the biased European media. And yes, the American media is biased too. I'm not too stuffed with apple pies, Asian babies, and constant down-home, farm country similes to see that.
If I did the same justice for Norway, I would guess it was about time for you to cut off your metered internet access, hop in the whaling boat, and go hunt some spermies for lamp oil to heat your two-room shanty. Not very accurate eh?

Exactly WHEN did I say America was the source of everything good?
Oh wait, that was your prejudice adding that sentiment. Well surprise, I've never met an American that thought that, I don't think that, and we never expected Hong Kong cinema to follow our lead. Frankly, we could care less what Hong Kong cinema wants to do. But, the same man who did the kung-fu effects for CTHD, a Chinese man who's name I can't remember (must be all of those ideas I stole from foreigners clouding my mind), did the kung fu effects for the Wachowski brothers in the Matrix. I guess he stole them from all of the other movies he did in China.

But thank you for correcting me. I mean, I live in America with my head in a hole, while you sit across the Atlantic beaming me your wise words of helpful observation from the mother continent, like so many other helpful foreigners feel the need to do. After all, when I said the words "movie writers today", I really meant "Hong Kong kung-fu movies 20 years ago, you fucking foreigner". And judging from your reply, I really meant "The All-American Matrix was the source of every other movie's impossible kung-fu style" when I said "Heh, the Matrix".

Based solely on my vast experience with the Norwegian condition I've attained through the media, I would say the same basic rules apply in the cold, sunless waste of your country that apply in the happy, fertile utopia that is my country. Of course I've never taken my head out of my shallow, suburbian hole, or been to Norway, but I have just as much authority on Norway as you have on America, and you seem to be pretty confident.

Someone CAN physically spin around on a dirt bike and shoot a terrorist from 100 feet away with a pistol. There's no way in hell it would actually happen, but it's far more probable than someone slowing down time, jumping 50 feet across buildings, and stopping bullets by holding out their hand and saying "No". In The Matrix, this was explained through a pretty original plot twist. In the AMERICAN teen witch show, my one and only example from which you've drawn your entire reply, "magic" was given for the reason as to why they could do the exact same thing. And they stole the visual effects ORIGINAL TO THE MATRIX spot on. I don't remember any CGI bullet shockwave trails from 20 year old Kung Fu movies, but I've only watched the one's that have managed to creep past my $400 American sunglasses and the tinted windshield of my 5 ton SUV.

So next time, don't attribute what you think to be the American perspective to anything other than a stereotype created by angsty goth teens or biased, secondhand perspectives. I'M tired of America being everyone's latrine for reasons that are exaggerated or never really existed in the first place. Now before you post back with "my mother's uncle's friend live in the U.S. and he said so" or "I lived in the U.S. for 6 months so I KNOW!" crap, Don't put words in my texas drawling, fat lazy American mouth, and don't try to tell me the facts about how we think. In return I won't tell you any "facts" about Norway and how you think.

Norway's all one big homogenous country right? You have the exact same opinions and attitudes as every other Norwegian, don't you? Of course not. And any American exposure you've had cannot express anything but a minority opinion of this country.

I've heard in the past that "Americans learn everything they know about foreigners from Hollywood", but it sounds to me like foreigners learn everything they know about America from Hollywood.

I don't know why so many foreigners resent us, or seemingly envy our position in the world, or what we have. If American culture has been forced down your throat, enough to make you complain so much, I'm sorry. I personally don't care if you have any contact with American culture at all. Your rather good English education hasn't imparted me with any useful knowledge. I'm sure you could care less too. But if it would cut down on the baseless bashing, epidemic since the American presidential election, I'm all for isolationism from here on out.

[This message has been edited by Ben Barker (edited December 24, 2000).]

[Per128!]

I'm not going to get into a discussion of America vs Europe, but some things I will say regarding that issue. You note how it is not true that every single person of a country are alike. Of course not. People are incredibly diverse, especially in America, which is a rich mixture of cultures from all over the world, and a huge country. However, in groups you will always find group mentalities, and seeing as how all the people in America share( in a broad way) culture, politics and influences, one can definetly make judgements based on those known facts, and one can apply certain attributes to the American people. This also goes for every other country in our world. Now, some of these attributes will be negative, and some will be positive. Some may be negative, but circumstantial. Not governed by the fact that the population of the country in question is somehow more stupid than the people of other countries, but because of how the pieces of the big puzzle of the country falls together.

An example: Norway is a tiny, tiny country compared to the US of A. As a consequence of this we have great interest in the ongoings of other countries and cultures. America is a huge country. Being as diverse as it is, interest tend rarely to focus itself on happenings across the Atlantic. The result of this is that Americans are less aware of the world around them. There's no arguing this. It's totally logical, and totally understandable. It doesn't mean the people of one country is more stupid than that of the other, it's just the way it is. Why should Americans give a damn about Finland or France when there's so much going on in their home country? There are attributes that are specific to countries, groups, races, etc.

I both love and hate America AND Norway. We have good stuff you don't have, you have good stuff we don't have. There's no need to go berserk just because someone criticizes your country. Trying to fend off my stupid assumptions by yourself making stupid assumptions won't work.

As I wrote, I based my comment on a discussion of CTHD as related to The Matrix. Now, if you claim that's not what you intended to say, so be it. My comments still stand - alive and well.

Yes, the American people are quite ignorant compared to those of Norway. This is an opinion based on known facts, logic and experience. If I lived in the US I probably wouldn't care about Europe either! It's just how it is. I'm not bad-mouthing a country here. Norway.. it's dead boring. There's too little diversity amongst people and the politics are terrible. The educational system is pathetic. See? There something negative about all the countries of the world. That's just how it is. Don't fret. You fat ignorant Yankee. Hehe

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[Ben Barker]

It's not what I intended to say, It's what I did say. Feel free to quote the part where I said all good things come from the U.S., or The Matrix was the father of all wire-fu movies, or anything else you claimed I said.

You're the one who just couldn't stop yourself from criticizing America. And I'm really tired of hearing it. It seems like everyone has some shit to say about America, as if we are worse than any other country. There's a difference between criticism and insulting.

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How about this? We deserve to get some shit, but we have been getting an inordinate amount since the Presidential election. People should just worry about more important things and stop focusing on how bad America is.

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[burn0ut]

ITS PER128!!!!!!!!!!!!!
where did u come from

[Ahcri]

I've seen it even before it came out in the US. Actually I've seen it when I visited Asia.. it was ok, but not good enough. If you really like martial art films, you should probably dig out any old action film from Jet Li, it's real martial art.

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heard that people with issues or problems in their lives that constantly complain grow more in depression and will eventually grow more angry towards little things in life that don't matter at all." --The "Wise" Man on the P.O.V.

[Per128!]

Hey burn0ut! Get yer ass into #q3skins, man. I'm spending some time skinning now that I've got some time off work, and I'm in the mood for some delicate spankin. Hehe. Join the channel, we need more of the old regulars in there :)

Barker: Hey, man. Chill out. Obviously you didn't read my 2nd message. Yes, I criticize America. So freakin what? You're saying that America is above criticism? Get real, huh? I love America, myself. You gotta realize that just because one speaks negatively of something it doesn't mean you hate that something. I mean, sure, if you want to make a point, make it. If all you can do is chatter endlessly of how you feel insulted.. well, hey I won't say no more than I already have on that matter.

You are fed up with negative comments on your country post-election, well I'm fed up with people saying stupid things about "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon", whether or not that group of people includes you. Now, if you want to say something remotely on-topic, feel free to do so. If you on the other hand want to discuss America, start another thread.

I can't wait to see Chow Yun Fat in a proper movie again. Holy smokes!

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[Ben Barker]

You're the one who drug out this whole issue, which had obviously been percolating in both of us for some time. How did you being sick of negative remarks about CTHD turn into "Yet another American who thinks the good ol' US is the source of everything good."?
So please, stop the lecturing on staying remotely on topic.

[Per128!]

Throughout a post, a person can put forth a lot of opinions. That doesn't mean he wants the thread to evolve into a discussion of every single one of them. My post was about CTHD and how it relates to American and HK-cinema. Like I said, if you want to talk about America - sure - just start another thread.
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[Ben Barker]

Well, you could have fooled me. I DO agree with you on the fact that this has all been said before. So I won't drag it out into another thread.
Have a happy New Year and all that.

[Per128!]

Happy new year and May all your whales be fertile, hehe.

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