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Masaccio
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2000 3:36 am     Reply with quote
i know it aint as l33t0 as some of the others posted previously but here is my effort. he looks really flat and i dont know what to do ive tryed giving him more shading
ive onlt spent about half and hour one him
please critic would be great. thankx for your time.
maz

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2000 8:36 am     Reply with quote
I like the capture like view as if it was a photograph . I think the main reason it looks a bit flat is cos you've only shaded aroun the edge which makes it look like you did a button filter on him (I'm not saying you did tho and I dont think you did ). Also maybe move the highest arm a bit higher or define the it a bit better cos it looks like it's attached to his head.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2000 12:54 pm     Reply with quote


I think if you put a nice eye on it things tend to look better. I tried doing a redo of the whole thing but It wasn't very good. So I just posted the eye. Did you use ref? the frog looks a bit wierd to me.
Anyhow a good eye makes the differnce. also have a look at those sketches Vortx did. see how he handled the skin texture with limmited materials. Frogs have translucent skin (I think most do anyway).

Hope this helps If you can't see how I did the eye I might be able to explain a bit better but I think it's self explanatory. I modeled it on my limmited experiance in drawing frogs so it might not be right for your frog.


[This message has been edited by Rinaldo (edited September 12, 2000).]
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2000 3:45 pm     Reply with quote
i see what your getting at fellas thankx a lot
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2000 4:26 pm     Reply with quote
Bah, I couldn't help trying to fix it since it's more or less the same kind of problem I've been hitting with my latest (unreleased of course) couple of pics, so I know it's probably even worse, but here's the version I fiddled with (incorporating the cool eye).



I think one thing which would help your drawing would be to get rid of the black lines. Don't just smudge them, paint over them. There aren't any black lines in nature :-)

Please don't hit me - at least I gave some advice along with the bad rework :-P

Daniel
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2000 1:14 am     Reply with quote
tankx dood i wont bite or hit or whateva but thankx u and if yours is a bad rework then mine is crap!
thankx for the help
ill try the eye
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2000 1:45 am     Reply with quote
my desperate attempt

well i didnt expect anything great i just figure do a lot of paintings and do the best ya can and move on. i really dont think this painting had much intiative.
maz

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2000 5:52 am     Reply with quote
For all whom are interested here's a nice quicky technique for doing eyes.


Resolution shown is what I worked in.

I first use some round brushes. to get the circles. then I start to bring it out. remember that eyes are round and that the pupil is inset a bit. I then define the socket and add a bit of (badly chosen no doubt) colour besides green. The I add some pure white reflections. What I have done here is very generic and unrealistic but it makes it look round so that'll do. I then go over in a triangle with a low opacity of white. And that's about it. Not very sophisticated but it works to an extent.

Hope this helps. In your later version Masaccio you have used too much smudge or airbrush. the reflections are blured, which destroys the felling of dimension. Use more round brush. It will help you to define your shapes more.

Hope this helps a bit more.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2000 6:39 am     Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rinaldo:
For all whom are interested here's a nice quicky technique for doing eyes.


Resolution shown is what I worked in.

I first use some round brushes. to get the circles. then I start to bring it out. remember that eyes are round and that the pupil is inset a bit. I then define the socket and add a bit of (badly chosen no doubt) colour besides green. The I add some pure white reflections. What I have done here is very generic and unrealistic but it makes it look round so that'll do. I then go over in a triangle with a low opacity of white. And that's about it. Not very sophisticated but it works to an extent.

Hope this helps. In your later version Masaccio you have used too much smudge or airbrush. the reflections are blured, which destroys the felling of dimension. Use more round brush. It will help you to define your shapes more.

Hope this helps a bit more.


Excellent description. I could not have done it better myself.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2000 3:30 pm     Reply with quote
thats so good thankx so much rin i ave it a try and this is what i came up with

does it work for human eyes as well?
thankyou thankyou rin! hehe
maz
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2000 4:20 pm     Reply with quote
Hey you I will make sure I come back tonight and play with your froggie if thats ok
Sorry I havent said much on ICQ Busy as..
-hugs-

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2000 5:10 pm     Reply with quote
I suppose it would work for the iris on human eyes... Btw, try to desaturate the green of the eyes in your version a bit... also, do get rid of the black lines!!! :-)

Good luck.

Daniel
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2000 12:37 am     Reply with quote
hah sushi ill try but point em out for me im completely blind
ooook jenn whatever makes ya happy
maz
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