[elam]

I got this link off the cg-char list, http://63.83.225.5/basic/providers/sputnik7/bush_300.asf
which in turn sparked a heated debate on whether or not animators should warn people about what there going to see, which sparked counterclaims of censorship and religion and all kinds of bullshit.
I think it's kinda cool myself. What yall think?
This shows couples coupling so be warned.
elam

[Nex]

well.. I expected worse.

But I don't understand the american double morale anyway.. guns are okay but porn is evil?

[Lukias]

Yeah, violence is condoned but god forbid your child see genitalia.

People are screwed. Their afraid of their bodies and get embarrassed when watching sex on tv while their parents are around.
But watching someone get slaughtered is completley acceptable. Its our conditioning that we are embedded with from a very young age.
A change of attitude for the next generation is in order.....imo.

[Chapel]

I'd appreciate it if you didn't make opinions on our culture if you have never lived in the US.

As far as the video.. I thought it was pretty neat and I usually don't like that kind of thing. The song was actually pretty cool. Who performed it?

[elam]

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Originally posted by Chapel:
The song was actually pretty cool. Who performed it?

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I was wondering the same thing myself. I did a vague search on Napster, and didn't find anything.
As for stereotyping our culture, I'd have to say he's right. I was watching reruns of the A-team(foo!) yesterday, and was struck by how violent they were. And nobody every died. And Mr. T never got any women. Amazing. Sex is changing though, especially on cable. Thank god for Comedy Central.
elam




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[Nex]

oh c'mon chapel...

don't tell me its not that way; I don't need to live in the US to know whats happening there (after all we have the INTERnet). Morale is not what one guy on the streets of NY thinks but what the rules (law/social rules) 'dictate' the mayority.

I've had my talks with US residents often enough to make a statement about the average american morale I think.

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[Spitfire]

Actually, Mr. T does get women. I can recall a least 2 episodes where he hooks up with cute (black*) girls.


*Why not white or asian?



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[Chronic Beauty]

Spitfire because we're all racist, if only to different extremes, except some like to deny it and others dont.

[Chapel]

Prostitution and pornography are two different things. Prostitution is not legal anywhere in the US as far as I know. I know they tried to legalize it in Minnesota, but that is beside the point. Also, gun laws are different in different states. Like I said.. you don't live here, so you don't know. I think what you should have said in your previous post is "I don't understand the America.", because that is the truth.

[Snookrod]

Are all people in Austria as clueless as this cupcake?

[Snookrod]

Are all people in Austria as clueless as this cupcake?

[Chapel]

Well, using the Internet as my source on Austria and taking into consideration the people I've spoken to from Austria... I would have to concur with that statement.

[balistic]

Prostitution is legal where I'm from, in Storey County, Nevada, though it is strictly regulated. I lived about ten miles from the "Moonlight Bunny Ranch."



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[faustgfx]

snookrod, so as a good american you assume the rest of the world is supposed to know your laws, for example, inside out?

i like all anti-american material.

i dare you to name even one law that is different in finland than it is in america and get it actually right.

why finland? because for example in school we are forced to learn alot of irritating useless shit about america, yet 99.5% of americans hardly know whether finland is in europe or not..

if this offends someone, tough.



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[Nex]

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Are all people in Austria as clueless as this cupcake?

that actually made me laugh..

most americans don't even know where austria is. If arnold schwarzenegger would not come from there you wouldn't even know it exists- so don't tell me about being clueless.

and on topic of being clueless:

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Prostitution is not legal anywhere in the US as far as I know.

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You even live (as you liked to state numerous times) in the US and don't know the law in your own country.

so:

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Like I said.. you don't live here, so you don't know

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- as you said yourself you don't know either.


Maybe you guys would step from the "someone said something negative about america and we have to fulfill our duty to protect it" state of mind and actually think about what I was saying.

Why is prostitution prohibited in most States?

Why are violent movies not considered as "bad" for children as porn or whatever sex movies?

[Lukias]

Theres a commercial here in New Zealand where they've got an American couple talking over the phone. The wife comments about how it(NZ) is a lovely little *state* in *Australia*.

Now this says alot.....everyone here finds this amusing, because everyone.....feels that...
...well you get the idea

Now I'n not saying that not one American (*far* from it) knows about anything outside of the country....but in order to make a commercial which highlights this issue, there has to be a rather large consensus on this one.

[synj]

you've gotta be kidding.

how can one country's people all act the same? That's like saying all white or black people act the same too. They don't, we're all humans here. This my country vs. your country shit is ridiculous.

Prostitution in the US is legal in Reno, Nevada on indian reservations. The gambling laws vary from state to state as well.

The reason americans don't know all the laws is because every single city has different laws, let alone states. To say that since I don't know over 5,000 seperate law-sets and call me or american people ignorant because of it is ridiculous.

-synj www.synj.net

[endrigan]

you tell em synj


ha

[Nex]

@#!!*!?

1. the constitution is valid for ALL people in a country and as such can be taken to judge the moral beliefs in that country.
(gun law for instance) That there is no such thing as the REAL average citizen does not need to be extra mentioned. but there is a demographical/sociographical etc average and this by all means of statistics is what I take as THE AVERAGE.

2. I did not say that you have to know all the laws in your country. I just stated that "you have to live in a country to say anything about it" is crap.

3. and this is by no means a "my country is better than yours". I did not write that my county is better, it has just different problems.

funny noone could answer the question yet.. just nitpicking but no real facts:

why is porn worse than violence?

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[faustgfx]

one view on it is that it's making money by (ab)using a/the female body and beauty.

that's like, wrong. period.



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[Isric]

I PERSONALLY think that the problem lies not in the standards we set, but the fact that we seem to have none. We live in a morally dead world, and we almost always have.

What I think kills us all is relativism. We have no set standard of what is right and wrong "everyone is right in their own way so we should tolerate everything"
This scares a lot of people though, becasue there's a common mistake about what tolerance really means...
Dang, looks like i started rambling again.
sorry

[Lukias]

Funny..

...We all run around doing sex but don't condone the viewing of it and we all view violence but don't condone the doing of it.

Us silly humans is silly

[elam]

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[Chapel]

Lets see... yeah.. I was raised here. I've lived in 6 different states around the country also, and believe it or not.. people have different opinions on everything. If I believed everything I read I would probably think the same thing, but since I know better. Like my aunt says, "One aww shit cancels out 10 ata boys."
One person makes the news for doing something stupid and the rest of the population gets its reputation smeared. To say, "But I don't understand the american double morale anyway.. guns are okay but porn is evil?" is a pretty bold statement. So, say whatever the heck you want about your own country.. quit bad mouthing mine. You don't live here, so you don't know. End of argument. Frankly, I like guns and smut. If they are combined then it is just that much more fun. Thank god for Andy Sadaris.

[Nex]

correct me if I am wrong but doesnt american law allow private people to own guns and prohibit (in most states as far as I know) prostitution?

[Chapel]

Nex: Prostitution is controlled by the state not the nation. Like I said I've only lived in 6 different states. Also, since when is pornography and prostitution the same thing? Do you even have a clue what you are talking about? My point was that every single person in this country has different views on guns, porn, prostitution, and everything else. Like I said before.. say whatever the heck you want about your own country.

[-- Transcendent --]

Nex : That's an awfully simple question. Looking at porn is a sin (speaking biblically, because all rules have a root in religon), but looking at violence is not.

[synj]

transcendent: yeah, but you're breaking it down all too simply. What about looking at violence and liking it...

..so much you play video games on it all day? Hey, I do it. I don't really ever take into consideration that a player is dying because they spawn back in seconds, and they're talking to me while we play. I suppose to someone who didn't grow up with such things it may seem improper. but my defense on video games will remain.

Beyond video games.. The footage in third-world countries sometimes has some disgusting crap on display. People chopping off eachother's hands and feet and a crowd loving it up laughing. Is that not a sin? They are not only enjoying the violence they are watching, but not helping out their fellow neighbor either. If you ask me the real-life enjoyment aspect is horrid and definately a sin. I wouldn't say the video game violence is since nobody's actually getting hurt.

-synj www.synj.net



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[Nex]

Chapel: before the verbal diarrhoea continues (.."do you know what you are talking about".. ) maybe you want to look up what "moral" actually means:

mor�al (m�r'al, mor')

1) The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event.

2) A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.

3) morals. Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose morals; a decline in the public morals.

So do you know what the difference between a GENERAL truth and what John Doe in Iowa(or any other state) thinks is?

Its NOT about a SINGLE person.

This part of the discussion is pretty pointless too because thats my opinion and I'll state it. period.
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I think you guys are right about the religion thing. But its weird anyway that a movie where someone's guts are hanging from the ceiling is rated 16+ and a movie where people can be seen having sex is rated 21+.

I mean I don't wanna defend the porn industry or anything, in fact I don't care, I just find it interresting that those things are seen so differently.

[absinthe]

by the way...prostitution IS legal in nevada.

i like sex. it's a wonderful, beautiful thing. i find pornography offensive and unnecessary, especially to the extent it's seeping into the general media.

i object as strongly to violence as i do pornography, and i try to avoid both as much as possible.

i don't think these things should be *banned* in any sense...people have a right to see porn if they want to, and they have a right to see violence if they want to, but i would really prefer that to find these things you would have to go LOOK for them. like blatant sexual videos shouldn't be sold in the same area of the store as cartoons, like i see frequently here. they don't even put up a visual barricade so children aren't exposed. i wish violent media was treated the same way, but it's not even close.

i support freedom of speech...everything should be there for those who want it...but i wish it would stay out of my life unless i ask for it to be there.