[iamthemace]

this is my first post on this forum and i hope it isnt the last
i was inspired by dhabih's work so much i made a copy of his price "broken" straight away and i was quiet impressed by my work so i continued my art work over 6 months i made about 10 peice , most of which i placed into a flsh4 website. http://members.xoom.com/neosaq/mace/mace.swf
its only a rushed site and it 1meg in size, and YES i know the LINKS button goes to the digiart section :P

anyway, while that is loading, take a look at my latest peice which is not on my website http://members.xoom.com/neosaq/mace/icemage.jpg (if it doesnt work, refresh as needed)

anyway, thats my first post, i hope it wont be my last

[iamthemace]

hmm xoom is lame, if u simply click on the links u sometimes get a xoom logo, if u want to load it copy and paste the address into your explorer, if it still wont work email me
mailto:[email protected]
or icq me
ICQ:38814544
ta

[psi burn]

since no one else replied

( dont take this offensively)

the flash really sucks. i mean, the loading time is unforgivable, and its all for a rather ugly interface :[ id suggest not using very easy and basic little flash tricks, because they just make you seem like a beginner....you could save alot of space if you didnt have all those unnecessary bouncy lines and flying fading boxes and stuff, i mean, after all its just a portfolio...your splash page is very messy and those mess of fonts dont go well together at all...

your art....eh, its ok. i mean, basically i can see youre a plugin jockey (one who uses alot of adobe filters to make an image) and they arent too impressive :[ i cant really offer any help on them except to use our own drawing skills on them yourself instead of relying on little effects and stuff.

and whats with that image of dhabi's you messed up with plugins? you just said something like "this is a pic inspired by dhabi"...i dont think you gave proper credit, in that, all you did was take a painting of his and applied some filters to them (which didnt turn out well either).

like i said, it sounds harsh but look at it as a way to improve.

[iamthemace]

i just got dhabihs picture and filtered it? no i looked at it, DREW It on paper, scanned it in, coloured it etc
i only used lighting effects in that picture, thats all

and what about the icqmage picture, i drew that from scratch too.

[psi burn]

mace, youre new so dont pull a "binder" on us

check some threeds down and youll understand heh

[iamthemace]

"blinder" maybe cus im new and my work actually impressed you, you are scarted therefor "picking" on me because im new.
i swear on my left i didt just copy+paste his picture and add a few filters. face it, its true i never did art like characters etc untill i was inspired, but for my first attempt, FROM SCRATCH, i dont think my version is bad. ICEMAGE was also made by me from scratch.

anyway, ive encountered your type so i wont "argue" with you anymore

ps: if u want MY .psd with all my layeres including the colour layer in seperate sections (which u cna get OFF of dhabihs site OR get it via USING his picture) u can have it.

[Jenn]

hmmm

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[Zaph0d]

your image is cool
but erm, PSI BURN can critique cause hes good
im not trying to kiss ass or anything, just be cool

[YourMum]

Hi.

I don't also want to be too attactive but I... *ehem* ..really hate such large Flash movies and sites as you use. Hmm.. I agree with psi burn. Sad for those who surf with modem. I guess it takes about - at least - five minutus to load your site. Not good.

And what comes to your art, I like some points here and there but filters on art is not neat thing. :I Filters have made for designing and stuff like that but not art. That's the point. Filters are also good in video editing, etc... but that's the other story.

Hmm... err... don't get it personally. I hate huge FLASH sites. Site have to be optimal in loading time!

Btw, art goes on.

[psi burn]

yea im on cable and it took at least 30 seconds to load, which is pretty darn long!

[Synax]

I'm sure people will believe you actually drew Dhabih's "Broken" image if you show the drawing like you said you drew.

As for the website, to be blunt: it's really a pain in the ass. It's takes 10 seconds for something that should take 1 second to load (for me that is [on cable]). The flash is just really annoying...

--Synax

[Freddio]

Yea im on cable too, it took me about 30 seconds or so to load

Hmm your art is ok.. buit can;t anyone use filters... Maby post higher rez images of your work too..

anyway

keep at it

[YourMum]

That's good for you, dude!

I use ISDN connection and it takes about 1 mins and 30 secs... about. :I

I also wanted shoot more about that site. I think that it's irritating to wait same thing messing around the screen when you only want to look art. Every time you have to check same roll trough. Blaah.. I can't recall if there wasn't even skip possibility. :I

Okay. You can make kinda cool things with flash but you should learn to optimize. That's my opinion.

Keep it in your mind, newbie.

[aquamire]

Allright, first of all, Psi Burn, I'm sure you mean well, but you shouldn't "binder" this and "binder" that. Although he seems to be struggling with a few of concepts of artwork around here, he is a bit young, and at least he tries. Everytime someone goes and tells him how he did this wrong, or how he did that wrong, he returns with something new. He might not be improving at the rate that some here at the forum do, but he is just a beginner.. dont go off doing something to him, like "Threnody". It has to be one of the most immature ways to make a point. If your going to voice opinions, dont sulk to totally ripping someones ass apart with their name, who's right is to learn. I respect you as a good contributer to this forum, and you have made some very good points. Not that I'm a moderator here, hell, no one listens to what I usually say.

As for you, iamthemace, dont take things to harshly around here, but do listen to what people have to say. Dont come here thinking your stuff is the best, but dont come here thinking its the worst either. Everyone, and I mean everyone on this forum has room for improvement, even Spooge, even Fred. Although their levels of techinical skill are far beyond mine, and well, most of society, even they know they are not perfect.

If someone offers advice, take it into consideration. Most people come here in the hopes of helping others. Thats generally what this forum is about. Some however, dont always give constructive criticism, which is important to look out for.

I hope I'm not just flapping my jaws here, but its stuff like this that degrades the forum.



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[FatPenguin]

It's true that the flash load up is fairly slow, though i think the interface is fine.

Now as for the picture issue... Shame on you psi burn. If you are going to accuse someone of ripping off a picture, and lying, then make absolutely sure you are right.

At first glance they looked the same to me as well. But to make sure, I scaled the two images to the same size and overlayed one on top of the other. It is obviously supposed to look like Dhabih's picture, but it definately isn't a trace.

Please make sure any accusations you make from now on are justified.

[This message has been edited by FatPenguin (edited September 07, 2000).]

[YourMum]

Aquamire: I'm taken about your words. Nice and good ones. I follow you in your words. There are so many people and styles/tecniques in this forum that everyone has something good. Actually, I think there are no very bad works often but it seems like everyone should have to critiqize around. That's not good point. Constructive critiq goes well. That's it.... sorry about my "not-so-good" -language. It's my weakness.

Btw, guys, I'm gonna get sleep now. It's 4:36 A.M. in Finland. ZZzzz..... Bye!

ps. iamthemace: keep going!!! you have potential!!

[psi burn]

aqua, im not sure where out of my post you saw me insult binder, and you'll notice i never have, in any other forum, ive instead offered helpful comments. i was merely pointing out to mace not to make the same mistake binder did so he doesnt get off on the wrong beat. i think you should open your mind up a little.

[psi burn]

and penguin, he never wrote he drew the image from scratch on his site, and im not going to do a dick tracy investigation of overlaying images to make sure of anything, i apologize for my lazyiness mace.

[Paqmann]

Mace, gotta be honest. No flaming here, just like psi burn this is my honest appraisal. (and please, people here dont really appreciate being insulted just because you dont like what they have to say about your site.)

First. THe site took three minutes and forty five seconds to load. If i had not been so intent on critiquing it, I would have been out of there after maybe 20.

Second. The word escapes my mind, but I'm pretty sure you spelled something wrong on the first page (not totally sure.) not good. Also the B is blocked in.

Third. Not to be mean.. but your flash design skills leave a lot to be desired. If there's something that big, it HAS to at LEAST show off skills in flash.. I saw nothing impressive. Not even the usual.

your art is pretty decent, though you could be a little less filter happy. I believe you drew that image, though it is professional courtesy to say that you "redrew" one of Dhabih's images, and not that one inspired you. That sounds like you came up with that image while looking at his. You didn't. You copied (granted, you drew it..) but you copied his image almost exactly. Did a good job of it, so keep it up if you want. But give the man some credit.

If you ask for advice, expect advice/criticism. YOu can't expect everyone to say "ahh this is beautiful."

good luck.

-matt

[aquamire]

quote:

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Originally posted by psi burn:
mace, youre new so dont pull a "binder" on us

check some threeds down and youll understand heh

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Thats what I mean psi burn.


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[Tinusch]

Only the lowest of the low deserve to have negative acts named after them, such as Threnody and Mongoose. Binder's just a beginner who doesn't know where to start and is trying to get down the basic before he really plunges into it.

[psi burn]

aqua, open your eyes.

quote:

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Originally posted by psi burn:
aqua, im not sure where out of my post you saw me insult binder, and you'll notice i never have, in any other forum, ive instead offered helpful comments. i was merely pointing out to mace not to make the same mistake binder did so he doesnt get off on the wrong beat. i think you should open your mind up a little.

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that _was_ directed to that post you just quoted. i dont know why this isnt clicking for you.

[bangsheadonkeyboard]

hmm...i don't know about all that stuff....

but i have a question...

is there a difference between honesty and being blunt?

or what is Constructive criticizim? (sp)

=0D

just trying to help

[aquamire]

bangsheadonkeyboard makes a good point. Binder made honest mistakes, as he is a beginner. I would bet most people who later in life gain artistic skill start the same way he has, coloring in pictures, and copying others. It's practically instinctive. He's made honest mistakes, and has only tried to improve.. perhaps a little blindly, but thats to be expected of someone who hasn't yet learned to see form, light, and shadow as it really is. I dont think Binder's made any real mistakes other than maybe following a natural learning curve.

Sorry if I'm being blind to whatever your trying to point out psi burn, I'm a little tired, but even still, I dont think you should of made binder a label.



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[Masaccio]

um no offense of any thing mage but uh u sound a bit up your self. i know of artists younger that u who are almost just as good.
the point im making is u dont boast about your art. it sounds really lame.
i dont mean any offense to anyone at all im just trying to get a point out which i cant express
-maz

[jedite]

just thought that i would point out that the icemage drawing is almost and exact copy of a drawing out of the diablo manual.






[This message has been edited by jedite (edited September 08, 2000).]

[29A]

Here is the icemage pic with the original rogue sketch multiplyed over...



traced on paper and colored in photoshop? I wouldn't doubt it...

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[Ko]

A mace in Mace' face will make him run with haste to the nearest plastic surgeons place.....

Ko

[Jyashuwa]

First, Here's my take on site:
-You must have an scene override button. No one wants to see the same animation over and over again.
-As mentioned already, the long loading time must go. Since this page was designed to display your art, don't make people wait for it. Make sure they are able to see the "goods" quickly. If you want to show off the anime skills, make them individual files to download. downloading is alot easier on viewer.
-The bouncing ball animation must go. Your trying to show your creativity, and theres nothing creative about bouncing balls. This is sort of the obvious anime 101 rule.
-Personally I wouldn't add Dhahibs pic to your gallery. I used to copy comics all the time, but that was simply to learn the "comic drawing method". I never showed it off, because I knew it wasn't really my work. Eventually you'll get good enough where you don't need to copy anymore. Thats when you show off the "goods"
-Never take critique personally, Your still pretty young, but really wish I had this kind of commentary when I was in highschool. Otherwise I'd be a whole alot better.

Ok I'm tired of typing.....goodnight
and best of luck on your art.

[Worthy]

I agree with Jyashuwa..I used to draw on my own..and then got into comics and so, drew images from "How to draw the marvel way" and so forth..and then once I got better at it..started just going on my own and just coming here to try out new styles and of course, for the vast knowledge from spooge, fred, shane caudle, joachim, loki..etc. Plus, I need to get my daily dose of Synj!

Iamthemace..Id simply draw, draw and draw some more..whether with pencils, markers or tablet and PS..and look at comics, books, and other images posted here..and practice with those..but I wouldnt put any of that in your portfolio unless you specifically were saying "xxx penciled this and I inked it..etc".. But obviously you are interested in art of many forms..and as such, I am sure are a creative person. Use your creativity and create some imagery. Dopnt be afraid to post your own work..100% your own.
No one here wants to bash people..just to help everyone become better artists..even Fred and Spooge and others come here to show their work and get the advice of the 200 or so regulars that frequent here. We know they rule..they are ruthless artists..totally..but they are always improving and want advice too!
I know you will take everyone's advice and come back with some great stuff.


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