[jHof]

I'm at the inbetween stage of the next step my artistic growth. That being, I'm waiting to get into college to get more basic art know-how to move on.

I feel like I shouldn't draw because you can pick up bad habits if you draw without any guides and basic know-how in shapes, colors, and perspective etc.

I did pretty good in HS, but you know thats just all. "Ok class do this type of project, with these types of elements in them." I do them, get a "You should be in a talent show." speach. Now I'm on my own, and I've found I tend to be more of a listen and learn and apply. Rather than a push-myself to figure out how this is done. I just realize that my art classes in HS are about 1% of what I will be able to achive in 10 years or so.

But maybe I'm just plan lazzy? I do textures for a mod I'm working on to keep my mind from going crazy of not drawing. But thats just looking at metal referances and things like that. I'm worried for more concept design, basic know-how stuff. Err... maybe I have no clue.

Anyone been where I'm at? If not ah well, I gota vent this stuff out...

(Wow, Doug fetching lived right close to me, dang... I've always disliked CCS. Whenever I think of the word CCS, thanks to my art teacher. All I can picture is art work with a ruler. But as I'm seeing, if you wana do Concept Design, it's a must?)

Thanks for anyones time in reading this. One day I'll actually buy PS. Untill then it's bootleg. They can come crack down on me, but hey. They know they get more sales boosted from it. I can explain if needed. (Felt guilty from my post about having a Photoshop 6 beta, earlier. Some forumers were quick to point this evil doing of mine out.)

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[Isric]

My dear boy, I am you, you are me. My name is Matt, and I just graduated, going to art school soon. My mentality of "am I just lazy by waiting around?" is bugging the heck out of me, and I cannot wait to recieve some formal instruction. My high school was a private dump, which means no funding, which means a bull shmack art program. Sounds like you and me are together in this lombo drift.
Keep up the faith, and I guess we'll have our day, sometime.

[AliasMoze]

jHof,
You're lucky if you got anything out of High School art class. When I graduated, all I had was what I'd learned on my own.. The first time I got serious training in figures, I got bloodied.

Where you should go from here depends on what you want to do. This forum is a good resource. Just find someone who's doing a good job at what you want to do. Then ask them how they got there. There are no recipes. Most of the talented guys in here had twists and turns in their careers. But there are some basic disciplines you'll need (depending).

Good luck!

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[waylon]

If you want to teach yourself how to draw/paint/whatever, this is definitely a good place to be. Especially if you're lazy. It's a great inspiration to see so much art being done by other people all the time. Not to mention you can get a HUGE variety of opinions on how to improve your own art (when you finally get off your lazy ass and post something. ;) Though I guess art school is ok too.

[Rinaldo]

Don't look anywhear for the light at the end of the tunnel. While it's a good idea to not get too entrenched in possibly wrong self taught skills. You may well find that your teachers are not going to give you all the information you need. If you have looked at the oppinions on rules presented by a lot of the really good artists here, it becomes apparent that rules are not the be all and end all.
Hell, the only way you're going to get really good is to draw 'till your fingers bleed. You can't teach experiance.
Suck up every little bit of information you can from every source you can. Look at other people s stuff, work out what you like aobut the good stuff and what you hate about the bad stuff. you must become a relentless sponge
If you just sit there and wait for some "proper information" it's a waste of time. Unless you learn from the best, and I mean the very best, you are going to learn all sorts of crapy gospel rules and regulations that will possibly back you down into a tighter corner than self taught problems would have.

Perception is the only reality.


Errrr.....IMHO of course

[hennifer]

in highschool art class, we used to dance on the tables and throw paint out the window. during the wire sculpture segment of the class, we made a weird wire headdress, and stuck it on the teacher's head and made her chase us around the room. as you can tell, we learned a lot.

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[Francis]

Holy crap. Hope the tuition wasn't too much for that class.

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TeamGT Studios

[Francis]

Oh high school - never mind.

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[egerie]

I LURVED my college years in Fine Arts. Getting in was a huge reality slap in the face for me.. The first year can be very difficult and everyone has their doubts. But the basics have to sink in even tho the exercises can be dull/boring whatever adjective you can come up with.
Now I wish I could go back to college just to be among all that swarming of creative energy. Not to mention the space and workshops.
I can't really do a gestual painting or black concrete sculpting in my spotless appartment.. the landlord wouldn't be happy lol !
sssigh. Anyway don't stop drawing, experiment all you can. You got to keep that hand connected to your brain and you'll assimilate the knowledge you'll get (hopefully) from your classes.
2c

[daz199]

I'm only 15 and will take Visual Art 2d next year
I'm the best at drawing in my grade and this is the first time i take art in high school. I think i learn better on my own..how good could a high school art teacher be?In grade 8 i took art and the teacher was actually a french teacher and new nuthing about art she just assigned us work! i can't wait tell art school...or until fred writes a book!

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[faustgfx]

art school smchmart schmool.. wtf good are art schools for? like, "i went to art school, i be came a Artist(tm) there!" ?

my logic says people go to school to get education and whatnot so they can land a better job (tm) in the future... . . yeah, you learn the name and biography of a artist who lived 700 years ago, i can't really see how that could help one land that better job(tm), yeah yoiu learn to draw in a more leet way (tm), but it still ain't gonna get you talent if you don't have that already, the list goes on.

*grumble*

damned adults these days.
all frigged in the head.



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[WacoMonkey]

Do not stop your development for fear of getting into bad habits. Draw and experiment. Experiment with techniques. If something looks like sh*t, do it again until it doesn't. Blatantly copy things you like to learn from them. Never stop drawing. 95% of being a good artist is practise. The worst bad habit you can get into is not drawing all the time, especially when you are developing (which, incidentally, is until you stop practicing - easy to forget that). Don't wait around expecting Art College to be the holy grail.

[Mangamano]

What if I read all these posts, is that a bad habit ?

Seriously though, I enjoy relaxing and reading everyones comments.

[CapnPyro]

yall got any suggestions for me, you expereinced working artist types? heres the deal, im 19, starting my 3rd year of JC, taking life drawing, color theory, film study and a class at the associates in art (a good private art school, fredflick used to teach there i think i remember him saying). In my past 2 years ive taken very very little general ed. I want to be a comic book penciller, preproduction artist (computer games), or a graphic designer.

I was wondering what the best way to achieve either of these would be. I could likely get a graphic design job right now (interviewing for one right now actually) although thats not really what Im interested in. Would it be recommended to attend an art college like the artcenter, or should i just try to break in straight from a jc?

I guess what im really asking is, for 15-30k a year, is art college really worth it?

Thanks for any replies

-Capn-

[Shane Caudle]

My crappy school didn't even have an art program. I've always had to just try and teach my self things, even 3D. I think that in the 3D realm, teaching your self isn't that bad especially if you are learning the hot of the press latest software. I mean how can someone teach you something if it has just came out, they haven't even had time to learn it themselves. Schools seem to be a little behind th real world in my opinion, at least in the 3D department.

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[Anthony]

The only art teachers I've learned anything from are right here on this forum, and I learned it in the last month or so. Everything I know is from practise or observation(of life and of great artists).

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[Brishen]

j.

I believe that sometimes, the best way to learn is to do. If we sat around waiting for someone to come solve us, how far might we get? On the other hand, trying to figure out Photoshop, tablets, and the ins and outs of digital media in general are so fucking overwhelming that one wants a bit of teaching or at least a starting point. As muh grand daddy would say, "Ya got yer wants and ya got yer needs." Me, I don't want to be taught, but I need to be taught. That warped theory is born of an intense hatred for every highschool art class I ever took, (and subsequently dropped), but maybe that's just me. I hope that time and come-uppance have a taught me something about humbling myself and allowing myself to listen. Me me me. But this is your thread....

You can go a hell of a lot farther than a highschool art class. My personal attitude toward this sort of thing is that you should take what others teach and tell you, mix it up, and make it your own. Don't be another carbon copy imitator, (not that I'm saying you will). My point is simply that the greatest part of this comes from right in here. No, up about three inches. Yeah, there.

Did this make any sense? Late night, insomniac ramblings.

Jess