Sijun Forums :: View topic - Painting with an underlying image... spooge?

Chapel · member Member # Joined: 18 Mar 2000 Posts: 1930

I'm not to familiar with the technique of painting over another painting. Francis tried it in a recent post and I think spooge did it in a couple of his paintings. I was wondering if spooge, Fred, or Francis can give some more detail on it. I mean how do you go about even selecting an image as the underlying one? Is it random? What is the purpose of it? Do you select your colors from it? Any help would be appreciated.. thanks.

ceenda · member Member # Joined: 27 Jun 2000 Posts: 2030

Hmm.. I'm interested too, but I don't want everyones pics all looking the same after spooge enlightens us.

Chapel · member Member # Joined: 18 Mar 2000 Posts: 1930

I really don't think that will happen. Although there will probably be a million posts of everyone trying it. Kinda like the micke black and white craze. By the way.. if spooge or Fred thinks everyone shouldn't learn this process can ya email it to me?? I can keep a secret.

Loki · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2000 9:43 am

Guys - instead of waiting for 'godly' intervention - why don't you play around with it yourself? I'm sure that's how Craig found this technique. Maybe you can even come up with a twist that's working better for you.
There's no 'flowchart' how to get a cool image.

Since Craig posted two of his 'destroyed' images anyway, that should be enough to start.
Can't wait what you guys come up with!!!!!

Chapel · member Member # Joined: 18 Mar 2000 Posts: 1930

I'd love to Loki, but I'm sitting at work. I was just hoping for a reply so when I go home I can play around with what I learn.

aquamire · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2000 10:36 am

Tho Spooge, Fred, and Francis do seem somewhat godly with their imagery, keep in mind they didn't get to where they are simply by asking other "godly" artisans. Of course it's wonderful to have them here as guidance, but the largest part of learning how to create art is to learn by experimentation.

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Chapel · member Member # Joined: 18 Mar 2000 Posts: 1930

Experiment with what? That is what I'm asking. I have no clue what the purpose of this process is. I'm not asking for them to hold my hand I just want a little insight in to it. The only reason I'm asking spooge is well... he is the one doing it. If it was Cos (first name to pop in my head) doing this I would have asked him too. I also figure Fred and Francis might have some input too.

By the way I really don't want this to come off as a "I want to be just like spooge.. show me everything you know." post. If I don't ask questions then I'll never get answers right?

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Chapel · member Member # Joined: 18 Mar 2000 Posts: 1930

Thanks spooge that is what I was looking for. I saw the spooge academy post and I felt like I joined an art class in mid-semester.

AliasMoze · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2000 12:11 pm

Hey Chapel,
I'm not sure how much this will help you, but I used this technique here .

The original photos was nothing like the final. But I did snag some colors and values off it. And it also gave me lots of little shapes that I wouldn't have thought of. Helps if your not a detail person, which I guess I'm not.

Hope that helps at all. Ah forget it. Just listen to Spooge and them.

Chapel · member Member # Joined: 18 Mar 2000 Posts: 1930

spooge: What sink painting? Is it on your site?

spooge demon · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2000 2:37 pm

full size sink painting

sink movie

sink frames in one jpeg

In case you were curious, the sink has recovered and is draining normally

AliasMoze · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2000 5:46 pm

Spooge,
It looks like you do a lot of cross hatching strokes. Is that right? It seems like that effect is created from just overlapping strokes. Looking at some of your paintings up close, it looks like you sometimes paint a color of extremely close value over another (1 or 2%), sometimes a slightly different hue. Just curious. Thanks

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Aloys Crunch · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2000 6:00 pm

mrmrmmmmmRAAAA I LOVE THAT PAINTING JOACHIM !
It has an 'inks on grainy canvas' feeling that I really love.

"constructive post? err no, just some random raw emotion"

even the zooming give it some werd composition feeling that fits quite well to the subject..

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Binke · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2000 11:01 pm

ehhum..

Chapel, I believe C.M uses a underlying image, to add some variation in the textures & tones to his artwork.

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Danny · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2000 11:27 pm

Chapel...

I guess what some people are trying to say is beeee creative.
If I wanted to go and try something like this I would go about it without asking for ever more info and examples. I could think of a dozen ways to atleast start off with, seeing were it ends and what the results will be. Use your imagination. You'll end up with a better lesson learned than having it chewed up for you by others..

I hope this doesn't sound harsh, as it's not intended to..

Hope this sparks some creative thinking..

Good luck,

Danny

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Joachim · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2000 11:30 pm

I do this some times myself. Especially if I make textures for models. I think the deal is to create some small variation in color and texture, to break up things.
That's at least why I chooose do it some times.

like on this picture (just showing this part, so it's more zoomed in)...-btw, just want to say I'm not very happy about this pic, but it's the only one I came to think of. I did put a texture on the wall, but it overlaps the girl as well, which kind of gives a bit of texture to her as well.

I don't know if this is why spooge do this, he thinks on another level than myself

...-still curious of what he has to say.

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Chapel · member Member # Joined: 18 Mar 2000 Posts: 1930

Thanks Joachim. Now we are getting somewhere.

spooge demon · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2000 11:56 pm

Chapel, Did you see the thread, spooge demon academy or something? It had some examples of this.

To answer your questions, It is kinda random which image I might choose. I have only been experimenting with this for a little while now, so you know as much as I do, really.

AS far as this being a "trick" that will seduce the weak minded, BAh, what ya gonna do? The Real Trick is... HOW LIGHT WORKS ON****INGBASICSHAPES!!!!!

Oh, sorry, just a minute here...

The purpose is to get a more interesting surface, with more color variation, and sometimes to suggest a color or lighting direction that I might not have considered. Computers are mechanical beasts, and they do the same thing over and over, very fast. Look at a high contrast edge in a photo. There is tons of info there. Very complex in all areas, HS and B. Paint the same edge with a PS brush. The only variation is a mathematical decrease in value out from the center of the brush. Very one dimensional.

Bringing in some variation I think helps with this.

It is a minor point.

A lot of what you may think are photos are just custom brushes and a lot of glazing early in the picture. Look at that sink painting I did, and look at the step by step. You would have probably thought there was a photo under there as well?