[Isric]

...so much it's not even funny. He is great when it comes to composition, but other than that, he has nothing to offer the world.

*Coverse his head and ducks waiting for onslaught*

[Francis]

You are trolling, right?

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[spooge demon]

I love Frazetta. I dislike his imitators, in general. Esp. that Boris geek

[Fred Flick Stone]

Wow, gotta get the head a check up. Frank is from the school of Riley, then Fixler, then Associates etc. He is probably one of the best inventive illustrators ever, bar none. He has clones, they all suck ass, but Frazetta, he is the king. Go back and study his images again.
But maybe then you don't like the subject matter, in which case you have all the right in the world to condone. But be careful in who you chose to obseve and imitate, going inthe Boris direction will surely get you into more trouble than Frank could ever send you in...
I'm sick of seeing Franks work, just for the simple reason that it is published, and republished again and again, no new work. But hate him, sorry, far from that...

My nickel and diming....plughh

[samdragon]

Franks artwork was the first example given to me to show how to create the illusion of detail without using detail. He is one helluva painter, but his stuff has been run into the ground, and the subject matter..that's another story.

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[AliasMoze]

I agree about the imitators. They all suck.
Frazetta the man is king. To me, he represents every thing good about illustration. He does what needs to be done, then leaves.

[Kebab]

WHAT!
Shit, i can�t give the monitor a karatekick because:

a. It�s a flatscreen monitor (way to expensive to destroy).

b. I�m at work (i�m supposed to work on this monitor).

But when i read this criticism about Frazetta i�m getting mad! MAAAAAAD!

Kebab.

[Fred Flick Stone]

Funny, I feel a bit of deja vu here...Lotor thread ring a bell...?

[Rinaldo]

Yuo are jokeing right?
I feel like writeing a post sooOOOOOoooo long it would make freds hands tremble in fear. You can't make that sort of comment without some serious objective and subjective critisism.
Frank may seem a bit boring and generic now but he was the guy that did it before anyone. before him there was nothing in that vein. everything was so boring. The clones leave a lot to be desired, but some create very interesting and worthwhile work.
If you don't like his stuff you at least have to aknowlage the vast contribution he has made to the art/Illustration climate we now live in.
His technical skills are vast. He was a master of many mediums and subjects. his watercolours are fantastic. He can do caracature, he can use line. all of these things he does with a skill that people who specalise in these areas would kill to have.
I admit all of those barbarian paintings get a bit samey and boring but you have to understand that he practicaly invented "barbarian".
Have you read all of his books studied him and come to the conclusion you made, or have you seen a few covers and picked up a few FFI magazines and made a slapdash subjective un-informed desicsion?

I can apreciate any personal view that anyone has. But I think you are implying a bit more objective critisism there non?

Good stuff this, I like a good argument now and then, but someone could have picked a more chalenging debate. it's like posting a thread saying "I think 1+1=3" (I would have better chance of arguing that than this one)
(no really I have some pretty wierd ideas about non-consensual reality)

*chuckles*

[Freddio]

quote:

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Originally posted by spooge demon:
I dislike his imitators, in general. Esp. that Boris geek

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Haha Whats so bad about Boris his stuff Kicks ass. He really knows the human anatomy.

hmm well I guess he traces but still he's awesome........

[zayats]

Ugh...Boris is such a hack.

One could teach a full day's class on how NOT to handle posing and composition based on any one of his paintings.
Sure, his stuff looks photo-real, but so what? His images are dead. All his characters are so...posed (which, of course, they are...most often, he simply copies photos of himself).

Have y'all seen the works of his "protege" (and former model), Julie Bell? Gawdawful stuff. She somehow manages to accentuate everything bad about her teacher's style & technique.

Frazetta rules, by the way.

Perhaps Isric can enlighten all of us by elaborating a bit on his opinion?

[Joachim]

Isric,

I don't understand a word of what you are saying. In my opinion, composition is the only thing that I don't find unique with frazettas work. Which is somewhat quite plain and straight on his cover compositions.
But when it comes to his very unique style, and great ways of drawing things his own way, I think you should take another look. His characters, how he draw girls animals and everything more bold and powerful than realism, in a way, is something not everyone can do. And, don't forget that frazetta invented his own style and so many has tried to make things his way, but only come up with bad imitations.
And, if you buy Icon or Legacy, the books, you can also see that he has done quite a LOT of different things up his time.

So, you can personally dislike, I don't care, but don't disrespect someone of his caliber.

But, I hope/think you were joking, if not just interessted in bitching for fun...like: not enough action in your life, so making some stupid fuzz in Dhab's forum will light up your day, right ?

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[Rinaldo]

Boris just sucks. It's not even worth the dabate. Julie bell is even worse. Show us one of his paintings and I'll try my best to rip it to shreds without falling asleep.
A few bits and pieces of his stuff are good but, I think it has more to do with chance than anyhting else.

I don't care if he traces. If he was shit hot then I might have a go at him for tracing, but thankfully we don't need to go into that becasue he just plain has no fu@#$g idea in the first place.

Bring it on.

[Nex]

hmm, i don't agree with the "boris issue".

i think he is a solid illustrator with a good color use. He has good rendering skills and his composition is not THAT bad after all. His subject is not inventive.. but if you are honest there are not that many artists with really new things going on.

[sfr]

I haven't really seen much from mr Frazetta, must be less than 10 paintings in total, but enough to convince me that he's probably the best fantasy illustrator I've come across (but as you already noticed, my knowledge of this field of art is very weak, so I'm sure there are also other very good illustrators out there).

Compared to Boris he's certainly from another galaxy altogether. I wish Boris would stop painting those too pumped, too shiny, too nearly-naked people in ridiculous poses, because his critters, rocks and swirly things are in fact often quite pretty. But I guess boring barbarian figures are a requirement of the genre...

But Julie Bell, ugh, I have to agree with zayats. If she's a painter, maybe I should become a bodybuilder.

Saffron / Sunflower

[mantis]

Anyone got any good sites with Frazzeta artwork. I have heard about him doing the batman stuff but besides that nothing.

Enlighten Me!

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[Freddio]

? Why all this Boris Bashing...

You act if you are many times greater an artists than boris and that he's just crap?
That he knows nothing about compositition and is a complete useless hack?? HOw can you just not be in awe of his work.. Ive seen franzeta I dont like his stuff all that much but I have only ever seen 5 or 6 of his paintings.

I think because he is soo good you think hes very arrigant and boring and he only can pump out, muscled up beef heads and skimpy chics. Have you seen some of Boris' non fantasy work it is extremely good.

Anyway way I gotta do and english assignment

Cathca latr felas

[DaveT]

I know for a fact that Isric really loves Frazetta, he is just saying this to get some attention.

Everyone loves good ol' Frank

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[micke]

I have nothing against Frazzetta, even though
i don't like fantasy art. It reminds me alot when i replied to a post about disliking Fantasy-art, it was taken out of context
and people started throwing stones in my direction, he he . I think Frazetta is one of the worlds greatest Illustrators in the world and he sure kicks Boris butt. I think maybe the reason for me not liking fantasy is because there are so many people copying others work all the time. Please don't take this reply too serious like last time. This is simply my opinion.

-Micke

[Freddio]

me??

No I don't love Franzetas workd mainly because I dont know his stuff to well.

I prefer boris brighter vibrant pics

[Dean Welsh]

Frazetta Never bothered me. My Dad used to have some Barbarian Pictures up in the Back of his english class and in his Garage. To tell the truth I always wondered why cameras back in those days made pictures look so weird ha ha.

Anyway. Being a bit of a comic Geek, I picked up that Death Dealer comic From verotik when it came out. it was kinda cute. But what I really want to say (without adding another topic in this vein)

Is I Hate Alex Ross... (ha ha not really) I'm just So bored with his stuff. I saw a painting he did recently and I was taken aback (WOW! that's an Alex Ross? He's way better than I gave him credit for.) But now I find out it was painted on top of Joe Quesada linework so I'm much less impressed. My real Gripe is that his poses are extremely repetative.

Anyone care to offer me some Real artistic opinion on this? I'm feel like sort of a fanboy hack throwing out criticizms where I shouldn't be. But I'm curious if there's anything to this.

[Edit] Boy I love Typoes.

[This message has been edited by Dean Welsh (edited August 07, 2000).]

[WildMyth]

Here is Frazetta's site.
$250 wow

[This message has been edited by WildMyth (edited August 07, 2000).]

[Rinaldo]

Boris's non fantasy stuff? wtf are you talking about. I've seen his "photo art" it's the most piss poor crap ever. the only thing he knows about anatomy is how to put his finger on the "on" button of his projector.
His stuff is samey boring and uninsightful. he's a hack in every respect of the word. I do think that some of the litle creatures in his pics are good tho.

Who the hell says I can't think Boris is a crap artist if I'm not as good as him?
People can go on and on about his detailing but it's irrilevant becuase the pics themselves are boring and uninspired. they're all the same. and you can't say the same thing about frazzeta.

Boris has a few tricks in his hat, but he hasn't got any real talent. It's all technique and hack work.

"brighter vibrant pics" you have to be kidding. talk about dull samey colours. You prefer Boris to Frazetta becasue of the vibrancy and colour. Frazetta is practicaly an colourist and impresionist. his colour is fantastic.


Come on!


Note:
(I'm joking around being a bit tounge in check here for the fun of it. but I still bileive what I'm saying is true)

[Freddio]

Hmm Ive seen Boris' sketches before he gets models in to pose and they look awesome. He has real talent he only traces because of time restraints. Boris does use vibrant oranges,reds,blues they are great.
Franzeta and Boris are both great artists!

True that you can still call and artist shit if you not as good as them but, I think you are all getting suked into Boris's photoreal pics and thinks thats all he does and cares about. Ive seen the steps he goes through in the creation of his paintings and a lot of thought goes into their structure and compositition.

I just think you guys aren't looking deep enough into Boris's work to see more than a very detailed Barbarian Dude! Franzetas work is a little less detailed (from what ive seen) so you tend to focus more on it composition.

Anyway I dont know what the hellim talkin about heh

YAWN!!zzzzzzz

Good NIght

[Rinaldo]

Boris' thoughts as he works out structure and composition:

"Gee wizz I sure can't draw for shit so I'll just copy Frazetta"


Should I have to look past certian things and do some of boris' work for him.
Nah, I'll just look at some of Frank's stuff that way I don't have to make up excuses. I just sit back relax and get bombarded with insanely good art.


I don't want to have to say. "wow these would be really great if he didn't do this and that" How far do you want to go down that road.
As far as I'm concered Boris is so close yet so very very far away from being anywhear near good.




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[Isric]

Well, I didn't post it just for attention. I have looked at frazzeta's work, and I fully appreciate it for all it's worth. This means that I do NOT hate him. Anatomy wise he is exellent, composition wise he had some funky ideas, and I really love the picture with the woman on the pillar (the lighting is great!)
No, I do not hate frazetta. If I did it would only be to the extent of saying his content is rather drab. This was posted out of sheer curiosity as to how many avid supporters of the man there are.
Thank you for your input all of you.
Boris bites.

[Loki]

Wether you like Frazetta, Boris and whoever else or you hate them - let it be. Learn from every painting you look at, wether it's in your opinion good or bad and spend the rest of your energy getting better yourself (so other people can rip on you, when you're famous )
But they must have done something right, otherwise they wouldn't have the reputation, would they?

[Silico]

Loki, you are totally right... man i can't believe this! Think of the two great people you are talking about, and how they would feel after hearing what you all have said(well, maybe nothing since they only care about $$$ ^_~)

well, i really have no clue about either one other than i've seen a few pics they've both made... SO, all i think is that i dunno, i don't really think they deserve the title of "suck" because even if it wasn't talent, maybe they really want to be good artists but just weren't born right and had no other choice and this is what made them happy... so let them be

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[Dean Welsh]

Well all I can Say to that Comment Loki is if someone said "I Hate Baustaedter..." You'd be hard pressed to find someone to agree with them around here. Maybe we can learn a lot from Frazetta's work Or Boris's (how the hell do you spell Valejo anyway?)or even Bell's to some extent. But I personally have more respect for you and Spooge and Fred and EVERYONE here than I do for Mr. Frazetta.

The Stuff I see people post in here never Gets old and I never get tired of it. Maybe that's what everyone needs, is for Julie, Frank and Boris to show up in here and post something they're sketching or toying with from time to time and we'd feel more moved by thier work. I don't know, maybe that would do it. But their finished pieces that we see over and over again will never compare to a 20 minute Spooge overpaint for me.

I'm not really sure where I'm going with this....

I think I just wanted to say Thanks.

[Isric]

I really liked Loki's comment

"Learn from every painting you look at, wether it's in your opinion good or bad and spend the rest of your energy getting better yourself"

I think that's the key to all of this, bravo.