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Thankyou for your reply Fred.

he he, overkill is just about fine.

[micke]

At last the images are showing
Fred, all of those things of yours are great!
I was'nt as good as you when i was 16-17 years old at all(i'm 24 now).My mother has saved everything i've done in the period from 3-11 years old and i've kept the rest from there.
I think it's both fun and useful to keep
almost everything you've dome, cause there are times when you think things are moving too slow and you don't feel that you are developing much, you just take a look at all the old stuff and you see things in a totally new perspective, how you were solving things and thought things out when drawing. It inpires me to move on basically.
Personally i think it's more embarresing watching things i did 3-4 years ago then thing i did when i was 11. I can see the naivity in the drawings more clearly if they're not too old. I'm gonna dig up some really old stuff and scan them in just for fun. Posting them soon. Thanks for shearing older work, i think it's really interresting
to see how people has developed.

-Micke

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-Mikael Noguchi-

http://www.katode.org/noguchi/

[Fred Flick Stone]

Rinaldo-DaveT-I'm with you both. I have always skateboarded. I still do. Just taking a temporary leave of all sports, as I broke my leg REALLY bad 6 months ago at the YMCA Encinitas skatepark. I should not have been doing what I was trying, I was trying nose slides on a 4' ledge off a wedge ramp, sliding about 5-10 feet and kicking off, tto much or not enough speed. One time I jumped off, droped about five feet with both my feet pointed in opposite directions on the bank, came down harder on my right leg and, SNAP...I had barely been skating all that much for about three months prior, so I wasn't in great shape. But man, it killed. I drove home on it, walked around on it for about a week before I realized I should get it looked at. I have broken lots of bones in the past and have always managed to self heal them. A result of no insurance, plus I was always kinda not into doctors much. My mom and dad both work in the medical fields so I learned a lot about how to "fix" things myself. This one didn't get better.
After waiting a week, my leg started to heal at a 33 degree angle. The doctor had to cut all my tendons and reset the whole thing. Plus, I blew my fascia, I now own someone elses, not my knee no more-no more...I had a cartiledge build up from 30 years of abuse, he removed that. Said I had enough floaters to reconstruct a nose. Hehe...kinda laughed at that. I also had to have my tibial band repositioned as it slipped beyond the fibula, or something like that. It was no where where it should have been. I have been having a jolly old time since then learning how to walk right again, and gets some muscles back without rupturing anything.
I had to move with it in its condition, against the doc's permission...I just realized, I am getting weird visuals of me breaking that leg over and over again in my head, I am going to end this part now,yipes, my knee hurts, wierd how the mind does that shit.

I have always skated with sponsored pros, so I have never been involved with blader bashing. I have always seen blades as another way a kid can express himself. I have said my share of crap tothem though, only because when they fall, mostly the little kids, they stay right there for about ten minutes, that space is crying grind me, but blade kid is sitting there. This is the only time I have ever nneded to shoot my mouth off. But I have done it with skater kids too. It's just kids in general. They get in this help me mommy mode and freeze up, no experience yet to help them get through the trauma.

I know a couple pro bladers from sacramento, they are amazing. I would never consider doing what they do on handrails or half pipes. Spinning my body in the air every which way without water under me is something I care not to try. Maybe once a long time ago.

Anyway, I generally have no beefs with anyone, just jerks, kooks, politicians in general, hate groups, photo journalists, lawyers and sales people...hehe...I resind that, I have a beef with Activision for not producing Beneath.

Micke-I can't wait to see your early work. I am a very big fan of both you and Joachim. Both of you have such remarkeable draftsmanship. I really respect all you both have gone through to get as good as you have. I am glad to see, if nothing more, that this thread is getting everyone to get out of their isolated worlds, and share their lives a bit, since most of it is spent making this stuff. Thank you for your kind words also. Means a lot, can't wait to see the art...

[DaveT]

Damn Rinaldo, I didnt know you used too skate. Im still skating inline but not park, Im more of a street person. I was also worried about breaking my hand or wrist and not being able to draw but as it ended up I destroyed every bit of my body instead (curse those handrails!). Wear a helmet, theyve saved my head more than once.
Anyway Ill finish by saying that skateboarders are just a bunch of cunts who have attitude problems, never land any tricks and always get in the way.

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I have a plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel....http://www.stas.net/dfb

[Rinaldo]

Yeah Freds about the nicest boarder I've talked to.
Skateboarders hate bladers because it's easier to pull tricks on inline skates.
I remember being a little grommit with baggy shorts and everything. Me and a couple of friends were just standing in the exit point of a capsule (stupid thing to do) and this boarder just jumps straight out getting a shit load of air and took us all out, I mean landed on top of us. He was all feral, with dreds and hacked off army pants, no shoes etc. And he just walked away and said in that gutteral drug fucked tone "sorry man"
I think it's pretty funny now, but it was cruel at the time. No matter how nice I was to Skateboarders they always told me to stick it.

I used to skate the Big half pipes. I got pretty good at one point (I could manage a back flip and a birani half way above the rail) but I have a tendancy to try shit I souldn't. And in that game if you go balls to the wall, you're likely to end up with no balls at all .
I just play Tony hawk on playstation now, it's the next best thing even if it is skateboarding

[Joachim]

Fred, hehe you write a lot Just wanted to say, thank you so much for respecting mine and mickes work. I didn't know you liked it that much. And, it really means a LOT coming from a guy like you. I think I will be tripping the rest of this day

SO, ofh, you mean we should all just start digging back in our boxes of old stuff. I don't think I dare...
Btw, I have just found a cartoon movie me and micke did together when we were 17-18 years old. It's around 5 mins long with plenty of old animation, characters and backgrounds..and a really bad storyline (at that time, for us, it took almost 4 months to do it). It's about 20-30mb, I will see if I can put it up soon. Should be enough to make me and micke embarassed for a loong time.

Oh, btw, I saw you mentioned Adam Hughes as one of your inspirations. I love his comic work, especially his covers. I visited his fanpage lately and there's quite a lot of new pictures which is awesome, and I think he has colored them himself. Just look at this awesome drawing:
http://home.online.no/~j-barrum/forum/DIRTYP1.jpg
umh,here's his fanpage:
http://www.comicbookpros.com/ah.html

thanks again !

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Joachim
web:
http://home.online.no/~j-barrum/

[This message has been edited by Joachim (edited August 07, 2000).]

[DaveT]

Yo, Im not saying that fred is an evil skateboarder, but most skateboarders out there are a bunch of knobs and Im not just saying this from personal experience here there are a million inline skaters out there that do not get on with boarders. I agree that they act nasty because its easier to do tricks on skates but I also think its because they think they are above everyone else because their sport has been around longer.
I did try skateboarding once or twice on one of those rare occasions when I was at a park. I had been practicing ollies the day before, and when I was there I tried to ollie on the flat area and it went pear shaped and I landed on my mobile, that put me out of it for a long time. But skaters seem to injure themselves worse than boarders cause when youre on a board and it all goes wrong you just jump off and land on your shoes, but in inline skating the tricks are far more dangerous and lead to worse injuries. Just last week I saw some 7 year old trying to kill himself with a 360 flatspin mute and he fell and was absolutely destroyed.
But when it comes to me, well I have discovered new and interesting ways to fall and injure myself. I havent had too many huge bone breaking injuries but I have had too many of the smaller injuries. One of the best though was when I was skating past the police station and a Hungarian family jumped out in front of me and I made a sudden turn and hit a stomach high rail and went over the top of it, and the Hungarians must thought it was strangest thing ever.....

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I have a plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel....http://www.stas.net/dfb

[Rinaldo]

hahahah.....stack stories are fun. The best part of those skate videos is the stack section.
The worst kind of stack I can think of is the one were you are getting a ton of air on a pipe and you kick out to much. you know that you are like 15 feet up in the air and all thats below is the deck. you have a very short amount of time to think about how much it's going to hurt before you just slam down. It's just like BAM and you cant feel anything. then you just sit there dribbling and moaning for about a minute before everyone starts yelling at you to get off.
And if you don't go out that far you sort of land right on the transition. you think you've escaped but you invariably lose control withina nanosecond and land on your ass so hard its not funny.
I've got a whole bunch of pain stories but I'll not subject everone on this Forum to them.

[DaveT]

yeah man Ive got so many pain stories I could write a book about them and it would be so gory and violent it would eclipse Mick Foleys Autobiography.