[psi burn]

i made this wallpaper today, basically its one ill be giving on my company's site once im done with it. i didnt feel like uploading it to a server, so i uploaded it to deskmod.com. so far, ive recieved some nice comments about it. it was made in adobe photoshop 5.0, with a few rhino3d models i made quickly. here is a direct link to it.

the size is 1280x1024. please gimme your comments or criticism here? thanks

http://deskmod.com/?page=show&id=8170&design=default

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[psi burn]

blah

[Transcendence]

nice design. doesnt strike my taste [hey, i have visigoth's "They're happy because they eat lard" image as my wallpaper], but it's still very nice.

[Speve-o-matic]

I like your background quite a bit. The style reminds me very much of the backgrounds that I've seen at www.threeoh.com. You should check it out.

-
Steve

[Speve-o-matic]

Oops.

-
Steve

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[assa]

Indeed, it looks a LOT like stuff found at
chapter3.net, threeoh.com and any other site
done by those vir2l guys.
You just need to 'think' more about your own
compositing, cuz it looks a bit too random
and meshed up, esp. compared to those threeoh
desktop pictures.
Simple blending etc.. does not do the job

So don't just copy, add some xtra personal
touch too.

But for a first try, this stuff is "ok".

assa
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pro artist/designer



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[mr easy]

I enjoy this style , it reminds me of shift , wallpaper etc. but I dont know who is sucking who for ideas.
I mean the whole thing is pretty much identical to that slicky threeoh style , event the font .
I have to agree that it needs more of you and less of them , unless this is you ,in which case ~ well done.

[psi burn]

hrm? i dont see any wallpapers at threeoh? just a bunch of text and little people. gimme a link to them so i can see what youre talking about

[assa]

psi burn : well, it's really really really
hard to believe you have NEVER seen any
threeoh wallpaper. The 5 sided polygon is THE
threeoh symbol and the stylelab font & cad
style overlay gfx is like their "trademark".

For instance take a look pictures at :
http://www.threeoh.com/atmosphere/ http://www.chapter3.net/imperium/ http://www.plasticbag.de http://www.gmunk.com http://www.onyro.com http://www.vir2l.com

etc.. Any any other vir2l related site..

The wallpaper section is threeoh itself is
beeing updated, so it's not available now.

assa
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pro artist/designer

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[psi burn]

ive seen vir2l and gmunk before, and um..i love how everyone is so fixated that these guys created this style of wallpaper. this is a style ive been using since any of them have. makes me pretty mad that people think these guys invented it or something.

[Stolln]

Yeah, seems like copying some...

Copying that design crowd sucks [it's their style]. I don't even like that crowd...ick.


Edit: Ouch, I made that waaaay too harsh..

That is all.
-Stolln

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[psi burn]

i am heavily inspired by vir2l
i dont get whats the problem with 45 degree angles? :] its adobes fault! their shift-key preset angles are taking us all over.

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[assa]

'Real' and esp. smart designers don't use the
native photoshop tools for line art.
A 2d vector program like freehand/illustrator
is offcourse a way better choice. Work
flexible and your final result will be better
and better. Just don't copy things that have
already been sampled, cuz it will 'damage'
the overall look of your work.

assa
-----
pro artist/designer

[psi burn]

why would i go out of my way to use a vector program to draw a line on a wallpaper? no offense, but they dont do that, unless it is for a web-purpose. 'real artists' use whatever program they need to get their drawing done. you're basically saying inspiration or influence is bad, yet i should be like everyone else and use freehand to draw some lines?

pretty stupid.

should i use 30 other programs to finish my digital art as well? or did you leave that tip out, 'pro artist/designer'.

[surphun]

heh. sexy host stolln.
and yeah. it seems like a blatant copy of three.oh... you even mimiced their logo.. shame shame shame..

[Stolln]

Oh yeah, surphy...does quadrent dump me if I don't update the page, but just upload files? Just wondering...hehe

(btw psi, sorry bout that really harsh post...was worked up or something)

[mantis]

word psi burn
'nuff said

[SewerRat]

So he was insipired by Vir2l. Whoop-dee-doo. Get over it.

Try heading over to the DBM forums - there you'll see 500 peices of art that all look the same.

[assa]

psiburn : i don't want to start another flame
thread, but it seems you know J*CK about
stuff.

No using a zillion different tools for the
quantity only reason does not make sense, but
if you work a lot with type, lines and other
scalable objects using a vector tool can
really help. Compared to the tools found in
photoshop, you have way more creative freedom
and editing, scaling, placement etc. is no
longer a pain in the ass.

If a quality picture takes 370373 tools to
look good, then use them all. Cuz the outcome
is way more important then the technical
mumbo jumbo.

If you prefer messing around, with no clue at
all, simply doing things on instinct, that's
fine too..

assa

[Tinusch]

Let him use what he wants...

[Loki]

ass-a: he can use what he wants. no matter if he knows jack or shit. Even if he uses potato print to try to get a vector-style - it's his problem. You might want to recommend that he uses it, but if he doesn't want to, leave him alone.
But since you're a pro artist and designer your extensive experience has already told you that, and I'm sure you're editing your message right now, because only that bad coffee you just had made you write this, and not your e g o.

I, in exchange, will immeadetly edit my message, since only the bad cup of coffee I just had made me write this flame mail ...

[low bloodsugar once again!]



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DigitalIllustrationOutpost - http://www.vigilante.net/~loki

[Transcendence]

jesus christ some of you people are acting pathetic. Let the guy do what he wants.
Are you gonna flame him too for sometimes using pencil to sketch stuff?

IF he did rip them off: woopty-do. It's not the end of the world, and you're not gonna become a saint just for flaming him. You've prob'ly have done something like this too at 1 point and time. Get over it.

I'm not the best with these types of things, but if you took your time to make something and have only gotten flamed, then you'd prob'ly be pissed.

[psi burn]

dont worry i wont be attempting 45 degree angles anymore on wallpapers anymore if it spawns these kinds of arguments :/

[SaltyDog]

Not to perpetuate a flame here, but I think there are TWO extremely valid points here that apply to all artists out here.
First off...using any means necessary to express your art. Like several have said, if a fella can get an awesome technique by sneezing onto his Wacom tablet, then let him. The artworld is constantly in need of new approaches. On a side note, (and in direct reference to this particular post...) I think assa was not flaming psi-burn for what he uses, but more for HIDING behind what he uses when confronted with the fact that it might not be the best approach.
Secondly....copying technique. Who knows whether or not Psi jacked concepts directly from threeoh.com. (Although it's almost blatant) The point is...unfortunately, we're all subject to being herded to the most trafficked and linked sites on the web. And indelibly those sites many times have EXTREMELY similar feels. That's what mainstream is all about. It's the obscure, interesting ones that we should be exploring and giving links out to. (Don't even get me started on the MTV vs. Indie music market)
Don't be satisfied with the mundane and with what's already been done!!!!!
Anyhow...enough ranting.

[assa]

Seems this discussion is kinda going the
wrong way.
Let's make 1 thing clear, I f*cking never
forced someone to use a certain tool etc.
It's just an advice, nothing more nothing
less. Offcourse you can use any method like
action painting, clay.. it's not a discussion
about what's possible, what's legal etc. but
about what's a fast and effective way of
doing stuff. And most important it is MY own
opinion, which makes it not a matter of life
and death (people simply have different taste
and points of view on certain issues.)

About "orginality" and "creavity" it's kinda
sad to read that nobody really cares if stuff
is 100% (if possible) orginal or just a mix
of all ideas, styles etc. 'sampled',
decreasing the overall orginality factor.
You can't sample music without permission,
you can't copy/use trademarks without the
same legal permission etc.. why not use the
same 'rules' for DIGITAL paintings, designs
etc.. Not a first come, first served thing
but a open disussion about creative ownership
vs. "inspiration". Orginal digital artists,
designers or whatever deserve the same
respect and protection found in other
'analog' media. Esp. cuz copying,
distribution and re-modification of a
digital 'orginal' artwork is so damn easy
nowadays.

If you own a company, make gfx/art under your
company's label and present it that way, you
can expect people to be more 'agressive' on
such issues then stuff done for fun as a pure
hobbyist (a.k.a non corporate work).

And yes, i need a cup of coffee now! And just
blame my silly english skills for any 'harsh'
commment (haha.. damn what a cheap excuse )

Feel free to express yourself in any form you
like.

[b]assa[/n]
----
pro artist/designer (special mantis version)

Note : Examples mentioned above are NOT this
'case' specific but again.. my PERSONAL and
overall opinion on digital art and all crap
that comes with the territory.
A disussion is not about true or false.

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[mantis]

I think it's really funny that ass-a removed his signature.


"pro artist/designer" LOL

You remind of those dumbasses at topazdesigns forum, if any picture is better than yours you have to bring it down in some way. Fucking bias-assed gfx nazzis! I hate all the A*holes at the Topaz Forum! Sorry had to vent.

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[email protected]
www.stikik.com/koma
Halo 9 Studios

[Transcendence]

::gives mantis a baseball bat for theraputic reasons:: release that anger.

[assa]

Mantis :

You don't like people who have critique?
Calling them nazi's is the most stupid thing
i ever heard, and YOU probably don't know
that 40% of my family was family was killed
by REAL nazi's during WW 2. So don't even
f*cking go there, i'm not really happy with
ANY ref. to those kind of people (mega
offtopic.. but just to let you know).

Is it strange that companies ask money for
fonts, software etc.. just to 'protect' their
creative effort?

I don't piss on psiburn, i just think his
work would be a lot better if he adds his OWN
personal touch and improve some details.
He could look more into the meaning of the
cad style like line art (guys like tDR use
it to refer to old architecs etc..) and
enhance overall harmony of his picture. It's
simply my advice to him, cuz 'design/abract
art' is i.m.h.o not just random txt,
wireframe objects and some futuristic font
all mixed in a program like e.g photoshop.

And for this 'topaz' forum, i have nothing to
do with THOSE GUYS and their opinions etc.
I'm not afraid to give my OWN personal
opinion about things i like or don't like and
yes, those replies may seem harsh in txt and
less subtile then other replies found here,
but they are honest! Sucking up helps nobody.
I've never visited this topaz forum, but i'm
familiar with the people behind threeoh,
k10k etc. and i support their motives.

Me myself got a shitload of critique during
my 5 years of dutch art school, and most of
those critiques were right. You don't have
to believe all stuff mentioned, but it MIGHT
help you. I learned a lot of what i thought
were lame personal comments, but those
comments helped me become sharper, better and
more cliche shit like that. Iterative design
let's you shape up your work and details
during the overall creation process, and your
work will be a mirrored image of your
potential and talent!

If you don't like critique or you can't
stand the heat.. get out of the kitchen.

This is an OPEN discussion, not a personal
vendetta!

More open discussion on design can be found
e.g on www.dreamless.org, where a lot of good things are
beeing discussed in a mature way.

assa
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PRO ARTIST/DESIGNER


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