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JeanJean
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 3:18 pm     Reply with quote
I go buy my first tablet tomorrow and I want to know if graphire is good or if it sucks like some people tells me

if it sucks,please tell me soon what i must buy... I have a PC and i'm a artist whant to draw on my computer

please help me
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 3:24 pm     Reply with quote
I use the Wacom Intuos tablets at home and at work, and I've never had any problems with them. Don't know if this helps at all, but they seem to be pretty reliable. I had a Wacom ArtZ II (the prehistoric version of the Intuos from a few years back) and it was nothing but problematic. The drivers were always crashing! But the Intuos appears to have improved software.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 3:34 pm     Reply with quote
I don't know if you know this, but you also need a painting program along with the tablet. The tablet basically is just a substitute for the mouse that makes drawing easier. It doesn't give you any programs, though. Most people use either Adobe Photoshop or Metacreations Painter. Those two programs are quite expensive, though. There's also Paint Shop Pro, which is considerably cheaper but has drastically fewer options and capabilities. Whichever way you go, I just want to make sure you realize that you need more than just a tablet. You'll need to purchase a paint program as well.
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JeanJean
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 3:37 pm     Reply with quote
thanks a lot man
It's what I will buy
An Intuos 6X8
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 3:38 pm     Reply with quote
I have both graphire and intuo and they're almost the same. I like my Graphire simply because it's USB based.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 3:46 pm     Reply with quote
I can get it for 5$$
mot a problem
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 3:51 pm     Reply with quote
Grr, how do you get it for $5? Not fair. Oh, as far as the wacom line goes, I think the Graphire is the lower end, the ArtZII is in the middle, and the Intuos is the best.

I have a 6x8 ArtzII and it works just fine. Just is hard to adapt to though.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 4:05 pm     Reply with quote
I'm trying to decide if 4x5 is big enough for me...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 4:27 pm     Reply with quote
Not one more word about Wacom or I kill you guys!

Everyone should buy this book off of amazon.com:



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 5:06 pm     Reply with quote
Ha,ha, Snakegrunger, you'll have to catch me first.

I just want to say this:

Graphire comes bundled with Painter Classic + other stuff, which is a great way to start for anyone who is still scraping together the dollars for P'Shop etc. Sure, Classic doesn't have certain advanced features, but you can still do heaps and heaps with it. So the Graphire is good value for anyone with plenty of raw enthusiasm, but zilch programs.

(...Thorn, runs for it, quick as a bunny...)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 6:20 pm     Reply with quote
I've used both graphire and intuous. The only real difference noticable, for the regular artist, is the size. The graphire obviously is smaller, BUT - it has served me great so far. I love the fact that I don't have to use large arm movements to paint with it.
Also, when you do a lot of your work in 200% zoom or more, it's easy to appreciate the faster handling. (although, granted, you can configure an intous to use only a portion of its surface).

My advice is getting the graphire. It will be a major improvement on mouse usage any day. Then once you wear it down, and you've gotten to be a real tablet maniac, you know exactly what you want and what to look for, in your new tablet, if you even want a different kind...
Btw, the 512 vs. 1024 pressure sensitivity levels, you don't feel the difference. I didn't anyway.

Tgraphire is also a lot less $ than intuos. The bundles programs are nice too (beating the sh!t out of paint shop pro anyday). Photoshop or Painter are good to aim for though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 7:42 pm     Reply with quote
now I don't really know what to do..

It's tomorrow and I should be sleeping at this time but I must make a choice
$$$ is a big factor!!
i don't know hhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaarrrrgggggg!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 8:06 pm     Reply with quote
I'd say definitely go for the Graphire. It's cheaper, much cheaper, and only slightly less pressure-sensitive than the Intuos. It's small, but still quite nice. Maybe you miht want to make the jump to a 6x8 Intuos someday, but I'd say for now, especially since it's your first tablet, go for a Graphire. Just my opinion, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 8:21 pm     Reply with quote
thanks i will follow your advice man
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 10:36 pm     Reply with quote
What's best????
Usb or Serial what's the difference????
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2000 10:58 pm     Reply with quote
well um.. my graphire can kick your graphires ass
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2000 4:11 am     Reply with quote
I don't know the Intuos but i can say about the Graphire -the tablet i use cuz i don't have any money to buy a best one:

Wacom Graphire sucks.

I really can't draw with this tablet.
Drawing on paper is totally different.
Ye, probably the Intuos doesn't let u feel like drawing on paper - but i really don't feel my hand, my mind, my power - using the Graphire.

My comment is relatively useful cuz i don't know anything about tablets - but i know a little - little bit about what drawing means.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2000 7:56 am     Reply with quote
Get the graphire.

If you can't draw with a graphire you can't draw with an intuos either.

believe me buddy, get the graphire.

[This message has been edited by Nex (edited June 17, 2000).]
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2000 8:35 am     Reply with quote
NUR: All tablets take some getting used to. You're not going to find one that is really very similar to drawing on paper. It's just not possible to have that kind of quick response and control. But as far as tablets go, the Graphire is almost as good as an Intuos, except for the size of course.

Oh, and USB and Serial are two different types of ports on your computer. If you have an open USB port, go for the USB. USB is much faster and more responsive. Serial is good too, just not as good. Doesn't really make too much of a difference which one you get, it just depends on whether you have the necessary ports open.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2000 10:12 am     Reply with quote
I gotta 6x8 Intuos and its got a USB connector mrjoker.

ehhh....thats about it :�



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2000 12:00 am     Reply with quote
I was at London Drugs today and I tried the Wacom Graphire tablet. At first looks it looked pretty cool, but when It came down to actually drawing, it became stuborn. I have difficulty to draw, it didn't make sense.. It might of been the computer I was on, because 5 mins later the computer started to beep.. naturally I just walked away.. :P

Later Dude
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2000 9:49 am     Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by el tigre:
I gotta 6x8 Intuos and its got a USB connector mrjoker.

ehhh....thats about it :�




Well... *my* Intuo doesn't have a USB =)

Coolbv:
If you can't draw with a tablet, good luck with digital painting.... you'll need it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2000 5:00 pm     Reply with quote
what does 6x8, 5x4 etc mean? can't you simply say sizes in DIN A4, DIN A5, etc?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2000 6:44 pm     Reply with quote
Those are inches. And they are listed as that because many people who would buy one see "A4? Huh? How big is that?" and they are discouraged. But since it's in inches, Wacom can draw in newbies who haven't even tried serious drawing before.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2000 7:59 pm     Reply with quote
I feel so stupid right now... I'm not really a newbie, and I don't know what A4 and all that means...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2000 11:08 pm     Reply with quote
graphire don't sucks
I buy it and soon I'll come whit new pics


Watch me go!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2000 11:57 pm     Reply with quote
What is the 'prehistoric' thing with the ArtZII. I own a ARTZII board (12"x12") and dabih draws with it too..

What possibly could an Intuos do more than a ArtzII..
Is it the 256-1024 pressure levels that mean All the difference ?
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