[Top_Cat]

Hi

I was wondering is someone could help me by pointing me to a good set of
tutorials?
I have a photo that I need to remove the figure of one of the main people in
the photo and still have it looking as if the person was never there.
I am reasonable ok with Photoshop 5.5, but the task looks very challenging
as the person is so prominent in the image so tips and tutorials would be a
great help.

Thanks a lot

Top Cat

[CapnPyro]

Rubberstamp the most of it out using surrounding texture that would blend well. Go over it with airbrush to make sure its even and such and paint it by hand till you cant notice.

-CapnPyro-

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[Drorak]

How cruel. Who is this person? Your mother in law.

CapnPyro is right, the Rubberstamp works real well for this. Or you could simply select portions of the background and paste them over this person. Rotate and Flip the selection so that it doesn't look like a 'tiled' background and then zoom in and join the posted selections together so that they blend correctly.

[Top_Cat]

Is there any plugins that could help me?
I don't have any plugins intalled at the moment so tips on good ones would be helpful.

Top Cat

[Drorak]

I don't think that plugins would help with this. Is there any background next to the person that can be used to cover him up? Can you post the picture?

[A.Buttle]

Plug-ins are crap. There is no replacement for just retaking the picture.

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[Top_Cat]

Yep I can post the picture.
Just have to upload to a FTP anyway to make it display in the message or should I just provide a link to the image?

I want to get the photo professional printed once the editing is completed so that it looks like a 'real' photo that was never edited!
what dpi is best? I have it as 1200 dpi but the *.bmp and *.PSP are 100mb each and manipulation takes a long time (and my system is reasonably new 500mhz Athlon, 128mb Ram, G400 Max, UDMA 66 13gb HD).

what dpi should I use? I was told that a photo should be 800dpi if it is to be professional printed or 300dpi if it is to be printed on a deskjet. Is that right?

Thanks

Top Cat

[amnesia]

Hang a tic man,
I have a plug-in right here that'll remove that person automaticaly, oh and it will also make the people in the photo look younger and if you want you can use it to calculate what their offspring would look like and add them into the picture. Not to mention the capablilty to take a 72dpi photo and scale it up to 900 dpi by recreating all the lost data perfectly from scratch. I'll just email it to ya...

Damn I forgot... I accidently deleted it the other day.

Sorry dude.

Yeah those dpi's you had for professional printing and desktop printing sound about right. But it depends on the printer being used of course... so if you had a 720 dpi printer then it would be better to keep the dpi of your picture at or higher than 720.

Actually 900dpi for professional printing sounds a bit low. But I dunno. I think they have special inks which make lower res pics look good enough so they don't need higher than 900 dpi. You can get 1440dpi colour inkjets printers nowadays I think, so it really depends on what printer you planning to print it off on as to what dpi you keep it at.

P.S. I remember what the name of the technology is that I think professional printers use.. tis' called Sub-Dye Limitation. Or something.

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[Top_Cat]

I did not actually mean a plugin that you could just click on and it would remove a person!!!
I meant a plugin that could offer me more features that might aid me in removing the figure.

Thanks for the info on the dpi though

Top Cat

[General Confusion]

The pic should be printed at 300 dpi actual size of desired hardcopy proof. The best way to retouch out the figure is to first keep a raw layer of the complete photo in tact (so you can go back to it in case mistakes happen), on a layer above that try to duplicate as much as you can the existing background, by selecting use all layers toggle with stamp tool, or by cutting form one layer to another. Then again rubber stamp the cut and paste pieces so you don't see any unusual overlapping. Things you have to also keep in mind is try not to use a soft edge brush cause it will give you an airbrush blurry feeling, make sure the color of your retouched imagery is consistent with the original. Use paths, selections, a little dodge and burn (a little), whatever it takes. Don't think you can rely on a filter or a plug-in, cause I have been doing hi-end retouching for some major accounts and have never seen anything like that before in my travels!!! To sum up you have to muscle it out.

As far as printing, go with a matchprint or an iris proof, consult your digital printer for more specifics and pricing.

good luck

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[Drorak]

Just post a smaller version of it here and compress it to jpeg first.

And if you don't know how to post a pic, read this first. http://www.sijun.com/dhabih/ubb/ubbcode.html

[Drorak]

I would start by selecting the lady and the frame and pasting them onto a top layer. Then work on the bkg from behind without worrying about covering the lady or the frame with bkg texture. After your done with the bkg, use the eraser brush on the top layer to better define the outline by erasing away any colors that don't belong. You may end up with an image that looks cut out, so you'll have to redraw some of the detail by hand, like the hair strands.

[Drorak]

Here is an example I did quickly, I used the clone brush, but as you can see it creates a blurred effect on the wall. If I had more patience, I would have used the lasso to cut out parts of the background and paste them over the guy rotating the selections so that I don't get a tiled effect.

[Top_Cat]

wow, that is really great.
The clone brush is that the rubber stamp tool?
You got a very nice finish to the frame it looks very realistic and the bluring of the wall can't be seen that much if you are not looking at it.
Thanks a lot, gave me a lot of ideas

cheers

Top Cat

[Drorak]

Sorry I meant the Rubber Stamp, I couldn't think of the term.

And for the hair strands, you can use the Fade option on the paintbrush and set it to 15. This is allows you to make short lines that will fade out into nothing.


I decided to finish it, just hit refresh on your browser and you should see it the post above.



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[Top_Cat]

Looks really great, nice work
show exactly what I was looking for, I have been trying it as was said by putting pieces of the wall paper down and overlaping it so that it is not smudged.
I am finding it difficult as the when I am putting the lighter wallpaper (top right) and joining it to the darker area (bottom left) any tips on how to make it look good? and realistic?

I am working with it at a lot higher resolution as I am still not 100% sure what resolution profession photos are (if anyone knows for sure it would be a big help to know).

Thanks a lot for your help

Top Cat

[Top_Cat]

Hi

Here is the image that I am working on. I am trying to remove the man from the image. I think I might have to look at the compesitition though as the lady is a bit too far to the left if she was alone.




So should I make the image 300dpi even if I am going to get it professional printed? is that high enough for a good image?

Thanks for all your tips guys you are a big help.

Top Cat
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[SewerRat]

All you can do is paint over it...I agree with what the others have said, use the rubber stamp on it.

[Mergatroid]

You should definitely crop into the image so you wont have to clone out as much. Be careful with the rubber stamp tool though because if you use it too much the area might start looking soft. It would be better if you could just lasso an area of the wall and move it into place.



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[Top_Cat]

Any tips on how to deal with the area where their head meets and hair overlaps?
I tried to just extract the woman but looked very odd and the face slightly out of shape.

any techniques that could help with that problem?

Thanks

Top Cat

[Top_Cat]

Hi

Here is as far as I have managed to get. Got a problem trying to make the light and dark areas look good. if not they look a bit unrealistic. Any tips on this?

Also the side womans face looking very flat, should I look at creating a shadow on the wall behind so it looks less flat?



If anyone wants to do some critism of what I have done so far PLEASE feel free to do so, I know that it does not look that realistic yet so feedback of why it does not and advice of how to get it looking better would be a great help.

Thanks a lot

Top Cat

[zack]

I don't think you should cut away that much of the lady's head. The left side, I mean. (from the viewers point of view)
Besides that it looks ok.

Best regards
Arild aka Zack

[Top_Cat]

Hi all

Thanks for all the help that you have all offered me, it was really great and has been able to help me alot. It was great to see what and experienced user of Photoshop could do so that I could then take ideas and follow it.

I have been working on the image quite a lot and have come to a stage where I could really do with honest and unbiased feedback. At the moment this is how the image stands



I am thinking this could be my final image, but I would really appreciate any of you guys letting me know honestly and frankly what you think. Do you think this is good enough to go to print? if not then how can I adjust it? what is wrong with the picture etc.... etc..

Feedback help would be really appreciated and I know you guys can also provide helpful tips.

Thanks again

Top Cat

[Top_Cat]

I have spoken to a printer and he explained he could do it on Thermo-autochrome paper. I have not heard of it has anyone had any experience of it and what was the result like?

Was it any good?

Thanks

Top Cat

[Drorak]

Topcat,

I think it's very good, although I do notice 3 things a little wrong with it.

1st would be that her hair on 'her' right side looks as if it has been cut out. Use the method I mentioned above to draw in little hairs sticking out. Also I don't think that hair should be visible next to 'her' right cheek, as her hair is tied in the back. Otherwise it looks like a boyish haircut. Also there is some black shadow under her right earing that I believe may have been created from the man standing there. I would remove it.

2nd... the bottom of the frame doesn't look too straight, the right bottom side of the frame looks thicker than the left. Select a dark color from the frame using the selector tool, then use the Line Tool to draw a straight line on the edge of the frame and try to make it even. Then fill it in with the paintbrush using the same color. After this is done you may need to add another color to it. There is more than one color in the frame, use the selector tool to pick out another lighter color and draw another line across using this color on a seperate layer, then pass the smooth brush over this new line to blend the two colors together. Also I see that you tried to use the rubber stamp brush to draw the white shiny line on the left side of the frame. It looks crooked and blurred. Instead select a bright white color already in the frame and paint in the white line with the paint brush or the line tool, it's much easier and it'll look a lot better.

And 3rd.. the couch has the same problem as the frame.. it doesn't look straight nor even. Use the Line tool after selecting a brown color from the wood frame of the couch and draw 4 lines around each edge of the 2 pieces of wood to give it a nice straight edge, but also try to even it out. Then fill in the uneven space with the paintbrush and afterwards add darker lines on the frame going all the way across using a new layer then smooth out the line with the smooth brush, very lightly.

I think your picture will look ok after you do what I suggest.

BTW. I did get your e-mail, but I don't think I'll have the time to do it. And I tried the first link, but it didn't even work.