[Mozeman]

I'm wondering if anyone would be interested in a basic drawing online workshop. I notice a real lack of fundamentals in some of the illustrations on this board, and I was wondering if some of you might be interested in participating in a workshop of drawing basics (composition, story-telling, life and gesture drawing, etc.)

Does anyone think this is even feasable (the thing with Craig didn't really work out the way he intended)?

I got the idea after helping Tanis in private e-mails.

Basically, it would start with an assigment and then a critique of everyone's work.

Anyone game?

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[Dylanphile]

I'm game--and new here, too!

Mike

[Dryfire]

Yeah, I know what you mean. A lot of people online boast about there drawing skills but don't have the basics of perspective and relativity. Although I am not a master or a pro, I don't say I am because in drawing, there is way more to it than just lines and who can use the airbrush better. I tried to make several online tutorials, but well once I started I found that some things you just can't explain in words! Oh well, good luck with yer concept.

[Cos]

I think its a great idea! I would definetely be interested in checking that out, my drawing needs much work.

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[nori]

I think I could benefit from this. I'm in.

[Leon]

A-OK!

[Nightime]

*nod*

lezz dew eat

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[Gecko]

Count me in!

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[Bellfazar]

I'd be very interested, maybe a chance to get some art training before college. Stupid public school art class(now here is how to draw a circle)!!!

[freddy flicks stones]

Mozeman and Co. we are going to be starting tuesday morning. Spooge and I have a few more issues to iron out and we begin. I am going to start my head tutorial. The thing is friggin huge, so I am going to release three steps about every three or four days apart. And we will begin the paint along with Spooge, er, now Fred, which will be going over the right way to work this head painting out, and I think you will all be surprised at the direction we will begin with.

At any rate, the tutorial and the paint along will both focus on the head of the Indian, since we are all fairly familiar with him. And I will post a thread where ya'll can post your updated version of the head drawings. It will be a little slow on my end for a short while, as I have to write all these steps out, and I have my jobs to deal with. But be patient, I will critique every one of them that I can get to, as quickly as I can get to them.

The first few steps of the tutorial are going to feel very elementary to some of you, but hey, even I learned a thing or two from drawing them up. It never hurts to bone up on your fundamentals. But we will be going slow. Snails pace...Since we don't have the luxury of a live model we are working with a flat image, that has been distorted in its compression. This is very difficult to use to get points across, but I will try my best.

When you get this information, I can't stress enough that you need to find a figure drawing workshop, or class or something, and try to apply this stuff there. It really is best understood with a model present, so you begin to really begin to understand true three dimensionality. Blah blah blah...This isn't the tutorial, so I will let youall be now. Just gonna wait to hear back from Craig, then we begin the art training.

And Mozeman, if you want to contribute tothe whole, chime in. Add to the list of class instruction with something. You are an amazing artist with alot of good things to say, I would love to learn what you know about story telling. Since your in the industry, it will be more fact filled and current. Speaking of which, everyone who wants to be involved with great animation skills should get the book "The Illusion of Life". It is a Disney book, and the bibile to animation, and animation story telling. No one should have a bookshelf without that book. Much to learn from it...

...Please Moze?...

[Mozeman]

Hey Freddy;

I'm looking forward to your tutorials. Since your "Master Series" will focus on painting, I think there will be plenty of room for a similar series on basic drawing skills. They will almost certainly compliment each other - and hopefully will keep people on their toes.

These are the kinds of things I would like to address:

Energy in the line and giving the drawings "motion"
Telling a story with a sketch
Anatomy, anatomy, anatomy
Drawing "through" the figure and looking for the structure
Foreshortening

And hopefully all will contribute to topics as time goes on.

I will be the moderator and guide (channeling other artists into this forum from beyond cyberspace).

I foresee the following structure for the threads: I will post an excercise and those who wish to participate will do the assignment. Everyone can learn from these, even the more experienced. When you get yours done, post it in the thread and we will compare and critique. I will provide an example (my work and others) of the kind of thing I'm looking for.

No copying. No cheating. I will know it, and you will be shortchanging yourself.

Look for the topic heading BASIC DRAWING 101: Followed by a specific topic. I look forward to this. It should be fun and I hope everyone has fun with it.

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[freddy flicks stones]

I've got a bunch of anatomy tutorials as well that will be hitting the boards here soon, as well as figure drawing. The spooge thing is more painterly in the approach, but the head tutorial is all out basic. How to draw comics the marvel way basic. In fact, that is a book we preach to people as well, awesome in it's info.

Moze let's collaborate on some of those anaotmy tutorials if you would like.

And I am really looking forward to the other subject matter your mentioning.

Give me an email sometime soon and lets get a lesson plan done up. I would like to get Francis, Anticz and Wacomonkey in on this too...as they have all different angles with the arts, from architectural conceptualizing, to conceptual design, to animation, yada yada yada...I might have to twist a few arms, but I think they'll do it.

I seriously think this could be a really good thing, what about you???

[Mozeman]

Freddy;

Yeah, I think this has the potential to be great.

I'm trying to develop a first topic, and have decided either structure (such as establishing dimension with basic shapes, etc) OR quick drawings from life (such as parks, malls, and zoos) with a focus on story-telling, accuracy, and speed.

Whatya think?

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[AliasMoze]

Mozeman, Fred, and others,
I haven't had time lately to post much, but I think Mozeman's idea is good. However, I think it's really necessary for the "students" to get out of the house and draw from life. I'm not convinced that drawing from a photo will really teach anything, in the way that painting from one can.

Fred, I think a follow-up to your course should be quick painted "sketches." As you know, I've been in painting training, and the sketches have helped me more than anything else (much the way life drawing does). Anyway, I think many would benefit from being forced to do unfinished sketches (tons of them).

Anyway, look forward to helping out and participating

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[Dylanphile]

I do not have access to a scanner; thus all my work is done with a mouse. Is that ok?

[freddy flicks stones]

e-do the quick drawings from life. I think pushing the idea of drawing from life is really important early on...and reinforce it repeatedly. Plus the results will not be so sterile, you'll get to see how everyone see's things, and records them. I think this will ultimately show you what topic to cover next. Repeated mistakes will tell a huge story...

Aliasmoze...Have no fear, that is always my push...life is more important than copying the photo. Unfortunately, to get a point covered, and to see if any of these onlookers are understanding it, the first few steps need to be the same for all of us. Then we will depart and bring back our own subject matter etc. Early on, going any other way would lead to chaos in the classroom...And as for the sketch deal, you shall be quite surprised at where we go with it...you are on the right track...

[Mozeman]

Drawing from life sounds like a good place to start, I agree.

Dylnaphile, the tools are important but they are just tools. The biggest drawback to a mouse is the obvious fact that you can't exactly carry it with you to the mall or the park and sketch. Personally, I can't draw with a mouse anyway, it's like drawing with boxing gloves on.

Here's my recommendation: do the excercise with pencil and paper. Then check out everyone else's work for tips for your own work. Perhaps in the meantime you'll find some way to scan the drawings in. The point of the first excercise will be drawing from life. You just can't do that with a mouse.

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[freddy flicks stones]

Don't worry about having a mouse or a wacom, because you should be using paper and pencil(digital people will hate this, but it's the trenches, do it well on paper, and translating it digitally is relatively easy), any paper and pencil will do, then just look at the work that is at the same level as yours and follow the advice given...good luck...

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[Foxfire]

Thank you all for taking your Valuable time to help all. I look forward to participating ; and seeing everyones efforts

[jesper]

this sounds really good!! since i need help with the basics (and pretty much everything, including my personal life the bad for me is that i don't have any wacom (like you said not needed) or a web-cam or a scanner... well i guess i could learn something anyway so this would be a huge help for me i think!!!

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[Lange_Pisang]

I like to join the party too...
However, I'm very busy at school right now (exams) but I hope to draw some stuff in the meanwhile...
After all, this will speed up my progress to be a true painting God one day! Mwhahaha!! (Very, very evil laugh)

And about the pencil and paper thingy, I think that's good, I'm not very experienced with drawing on computers...

[geelimp]

Mozeman, Freddy and Spooge, I really, really appreciate you wanting to help other people on this board. I ever had the impression that professional artist want to keep their secrets to them selves, this evidently does not apply to you guys.
I'm sure alot of people will learn alot from this, including myself

ps. I have made some tutorials for Painter and I was surprised by how much work it was. So, a BIG thanks to you guys for doing this

[micke]

Whatever the lessons will be about, i'm in!
-Micke

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[bop]

whoohoo micke is in...seems that i'll be visiting this page quite often , love your work!

count me in as well (allthough i'm not as good as the most of you)

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[Joachim]

I always love to draw stuff for learning purposes...so, I'll always be in on whatever it is, as long as I've got the time


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[Frost]

Mozeman: Admitting you suck hurts, but I do. So count me in.

[Mozeman]

Frost,

I'm sure there are those who would disagree with your assessment of your work, but this isn't necessarily about learning not to suck. Artist must always work on their craft.

If Glen Keane still trains (and he does) then none of us are above a little more help with our work.

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[Gimbal]

I searched for tutorials all over the internet and found some great info, but when I found this forum with people at all different skill levels I was very happy. I made a huge mistake early in life by not dedicating myself more to my artwork and I regret it now. I don't have the money or time right now to go to school so I deeply appreciate all the information shared here.

Can't wait to telecommute to school when I get home from work now.

[Drorak]

I could really benefit from this too. When do we start.

[Frost]

Mozeman: I suppose I do use big words when speaking of myself, but I have recently found that I do suck a lot at drawing... in fact, I tried drawing stuff these past few days, and just can't seem to draw something correctly, and I'm starting to get somewhat disgusted with myself. I don't think its right to hack form into your drawing and characters... sometimes things just work out great by themselves, lately I've just done absolute crap. Anyway. Sorry for bitching at myself publicly.

cheers,
frost.