[Fred Flick Stone]

Well, I thought I'd try this and see what happens. This was done about 6 years ago, but I am just now scanning it to do something with. It is in gouache, and took about 6-7 hours...tear it up...

[Muzman]

this is rapidly becoming a painting forum it seems.

lil' ol' me can't see much of anything wrong with it. There is a slight suggestion in that pose that she might slide to the ground at any moment, but maybe that's just me.

how big is the actual painting?

[Fred Flick Stone]

The Painting is 7" wide by 10" tall.

I apologize for it being an actual painting, I will post some digital art soon. I only have stuff from work to post as of now, and I can't post any of that until the project has been released. The project consumes about 90% of my time, the other time is spent painting, traditionally. Next image will definitely be digital though. I have some concept images of my own I am finding time to develop...

[Muzman]

don't sweat it. (unless you want to of course)
people have been posting pencil sketches and such for as long as I can remember.

[fragamite]

this is good. real good, makes me horny. I mean no, I mean.. oh fuck.. well she is raising an eyebrow and pointing at her titty bits isn't she? :P

but maybe her left thigh is a little too long or something? but I dunno, it's way past my bedtime allready

[Francis]

Too much background - make it plain white next time, and you'll have a nice piece, like that Antiques guy.

Other than that, it looks really great!

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[Guy]

very nice. the shading and colours are very good

fancis: what do you mean too much background? theres hardly a background there. sorry, but i dont see your logic in that. maybe its just me

[AliasMoze]

Good job, Fred. You've really retained a spontaneous feel in the painting. Done from life?
I wouldn't have thought of the colors, but they look great.

You are obviously very skilled. I'm thinking of taking up gouache myself. It looks odd lugging my workstation around the park.

[AcidDrone]

Great work even more so you did that with traditional painting methods.

And i don't personally see anything wrong with posting a sketch or painting that was done by methods other then computer after all you scan them so don't they then become digital media?

[Mozeman]

Hey Fred;

Nice work.

The only major problem I see is in her left leg. If you look at her thigh, it seems to be awfully thin, and the sheer material hanging from her left knee seems like it would fall a little more loosely.

Other than that, it looks pretty solid. How might you do it differently were you to paint it today, 6 years later?

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[micke]

Very nice!
Please post some more! If you have any more
drawings and paintings, post'em!


-Micke

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[ASHBURRN]

Can I have the model's phone number?

[Nex]

Whow!

[sfr]

That's very nice! (You could have posted it bigger though, I get eyestrain trying to see anything in this tiny version ) I like the colors, it's very nostalgic somehow...

Hey, since everyone seems to love gouache here, maybe someone could help me out a bit. I've been painting with watercolors mostly and enjoyed it, but as my painting style is quite un-watercolor like (very opaque, using lots of pigment), I thought I should give gouache a try.

Well, it's quite similar except that I'm really frustrated with mixing colors in gouache. Maybe I'm just a spoiled computer brat who's been picking colors in Painter for too long... On the other hand I didn't have such trouble mixing colors with my watercolor tabs, but the gouache paints are in tubes and mixing them on a palette with a palette knife feels so tedious in comparison. Especially as the tubes are so tiny and cost awfully much (for my budget), so I feel the need to economise them and therefore end up using less paint than I probably should.

So, umm, I think I'll have to phrase this as a question if I want any answers I guess what I'm asking is this: if you have any particular strategies for mixing colors and making your palette in gouache, could you please share them with this beginner?

Saffron / Sunflower

[anticz]

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Originally posted by Francis:
Too much background - make it plain white next time, and you'll have a nice piece, like that Antiques guy.

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Francis, You only wish your backgrounds were as clean and sterile as mine. So tidy you can eat off them .

[Fred Flick Stone]

Saffron/sunflower-I would and always do recommend, going to get and just mixing them yourself to see what color do what to each other. Trouble is, photoshop, painter, any digital program has far too many possiblities for color choices. Traditional application teaches you not only color, but brushmanship, brushwork, brush stroke direction, that brushstrokes can equal planes, etc. There is no substitute for the real deal. If you want to get better at digital art, a pad and pencil are still going to be your best friend. Might as well go buy a few colors of paint too, and just experiment. You don't even have to paint a picture, just block out a page of squares, and mix your colors, fill in the sqaures with different mixtures, and different percentages of color mixtures, and see what you make. It really is enlightening when you can see a color in nature, and know what colors on your particular pallette mixed together would get that exact color.
If it gets too expensive to go out and get paint, a photoshop tip I can give, comperable to using paint would be to paint in index color format, pick just two or three colors, with white, and try painting with just those few colors. Use your value slider to get your value range from each of these colors. I will try and post an image of what I mean, or send it to your email address for an example. Let me know, and good luck...

[Fred Flick Stone]

the image was done from a victorias secret photo. If I had the reference still available, I'd post it. I did alot of deviating from the photo, as their photos tend to be a bit too soft in the light department...

[Francis]

I agree with Fred re: mixing/using "real" media to develop a feel for color; the degree to which one can manipulate colors on the computer can be overwhelming. I spent several years working mainly with pencil+watercolors, before I got into digital drawing/painting, which I think has affected the palette I use now on the computer.

Just a thought.

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[AliasMoze]

Fred and Francis, you're stuff rocks!
I'm curious, what's the deal with Cyan? Did they not want to do Myst III?

Anyway, you're a crafty bunch of bastards.

[freddy flicks stones]

I'm under a different name cause I couldn't remember my password, and I'm not on my computer...The deal with Cyan, well,unless I'm wrong, Francis help me here, if it isn't posted on presto's site, we can't say...cotract bullchit...Believe me, for the last year and a half I've wanted to tell someone were even working on Myst, but we couldn't talk about that. Just getting to say Myst and Presto in the same sentence to my friends is kinda comparable to winning the lottery...

[sfr]

Thanks for the tips Fred and Francis, it's appreciated (btw I checked out your Myst III stuff in the other thread, you Presto guys rule, though I knew that already )

I'm not a complete stranger to traditional media, I've done a fair amount of pencil drawing over the years, though not as much as I should have (here's a life drawing by me if you're interested, the face looks bad but I swear the original looks slightly better )

I've painted irregularly with watercolors and oils, and now I'm trying to learn gouache. But the problem I'm having is more a practical one: mixing the colors I want in gouache feels really tedious compared to watercolor or oil.

So I thought you might have some practical suggestions on how to set up my palette: for example, should I just stop worrying about the cost of the paint and mix large amounts of one color, so that I'll be able to use some of the paint to mix intermediary values if I need to? And should I try to mix my colors from the primary hues mostly, and not dabble with all the fancier pre-mixed colors I have?

I'm looking for advice of that type, anything that would allow me to improve my color mixing "strategy" and thus make the painting process a bit less frustrating for me...

Saffron / Sunflower

[geelimp]

I have the exact same 'problems' as Saffron / Sunflower. Mixing the colors seem so awfully tedious. I've tried both Acrylics and Gouache, but neither works for me. I'm a self-trained artist, but I can't seem to teach myself painting. very depressive

by the way.. what is a palette knife? I know there is a tool in Metacreation's Painter called Palette knife, but what do you use a palette knife for with traditional paint ?

[Fred Flick Stone]

sfr and geelimp, the book Alla Prima Everything I know about painting will clear the air of all mystery in painting. It is by Richard Schmid, our Sargent of modern day...can't say enough good stuff about that guy. Go to Notes from the Hayloft. It is an online monthly put out by the Schmid's. Great stuff...
As for the mystery of gouache and acrylic, I wish I knew. There are some things to help you though. Remember, gouache dries darker than you mis on your pallette, and acrylics dry lighter. So if you use the two alot, you will have to make that differentiation. I still learn new things about the paints every time I use them. Mostly, that I still have a lot to learn. Not to discourage you though. Every artist learns till the day he proclaims his greatness or he dies. The second should be the proper way to do it. I have my grave designed already just in case I don't have time later on, with deadlines and all. Kidding, sorta...
One thing I did suggest that is really helpful is get to know a pallette for yourself, and learn everything it does, so you master it, and it doesn't master you.
Pick your pallette well. Always have a warm and cool of each color for balance on the canvas. Tough concept to explain, I don't think my fingers will like me for even trying right now. I might put up a tutorial at Anticz.com soon on color pallettes. It is useful for the painter, traditional, and digital, and useful for the animator, and comic colorist. And your color by number fans...
The pallette I work with traditionally is:
Titanium white
Cad Yellow Light (Warm Yellow)
Lemon Yellow (cool yellow)
Yellow ochre (Cool Yellow) I use this in flesh and landscape painting alot...
Flame red in gouache(warm red)
Cad red deep(warm red)
Alizeron crimson(cool red)
Pthalo green( cool green)
Sap green(warm green)
Viridian green(cool green)
Normally I don't put green on my pallette unless totally necessary. Blue andyellow mix better greens for me. They aren't as potent.
Ultamarine blue(warm blue)
Thalo blue(cool blue)
Cerrulean and or cobalt blue
Sometimes burnt sienna...I se this color in ink wash drawings, it rocks...
Dioxinine Purple(only sometimes)
Cadmium Orange(not for fleshes, but for landscapes. Avoid orange in flesh, it really doesn't exist...)
And Ivory black...
And don't be afraid to waste lots of paint. Most of those first paintings are gonna be wasted anyway once you really get good, so start with good habits early on. Slop on that paint...good luck and hope that helps...

[samdragon]

ARRRGG!!! Why couldn't I have you as my painting instructor!! You're message had told me more than my previous painting instructor did in a whole semester.
I love this place...I'm like a sponge..

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[dines]

Fred,
Just a little question, could you tell me how long have you been drawing ?

I was on your webpage, and to draw a such good mountain in only 10 min ! wow

dines.

[freddy flicks stones]

I have been drawing since before I can remember. I took second in a first grade art contest because the teachers thought my parents drew the lettering, when I did the whole darn thing. That's how long I've been drawing.
Over the past several years, all I have been training myself to do is paint, see in color. Now I sketch in paint,photoshop just happens to be a very useful paint program...I will have some sketchbook excerps to show how I practice when I am not working. Those sketches are where I think I learn the most. Thanks for asking...

[sfr]

Fred, big thanks for your post, it was just what I was looking for!

Saffron / Sunflower