Sijun Forums :: View topic - Digital art archive web page.. ok peeps need some feed back

proximo · member Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2000 Posts: 467

sorry

http://members.home.net/maxball/dream.htm
also i put the page in 1024 x 768 because i thought that is what most of us use ..

thanks again ..

Loki · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2000 8:02 pm

Awesome dude ... that's it!

Now if just the buttons would work, we could start submitting

Do you have the sub-pages worked out, or do you still need to spend a night or two behind the screen????

good job!!!!!!!!!

proximo · member Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2000 Posts: 467

Well im worken on that .. see the thing is i need a good web space place that will allow cgi support so i can get one that will allow voting and maybe even the submit thing .. im going to look.. but i dealy i would like to get some work from the peeps on the forum and make a gfx with it b4 posting .. and thanks.

and as far as the button stuff goes im still worken on it

ohh yah what you think of the name ? should it stay or should it go ?

Tinusch · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2000 9:12 pm

Yeah dude that looks REALLY nice. Very slick. Can't wait to see it up and running...

xyz · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2000 9:30 pm

www.virtualave.net
has cgi-acces but i requieresa banner on da page

soda · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2000 10:32 pm

nonononono

too heavy and it doesn't look too good though...sorry.
I could never imagine that kinda page as digital dream page because it doesn't look anything like it, more like wannabe webdesign that ain't any design afterall.
That just shows bad taste. :/

Sorry to flame it like this, but I think I know what I'm talking about...
That ain't bad, no, but it ain't good though...

I've imagined something more "artistic" design there, but well, not my problem and who the hell cares if I don't like it...

but I won't submit anything to page that looks like that

sorry :/

proximo · member Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2000 Posts: 467

Thats cool ! then dont :P what i ahve done is a start, and what i need are some pics to put on the page. so plz save the insults untill the page is done, that really is not feed back because all you did was try and rip it down. insted next time when you post try to say how to improve insted of just going off,, you make no sence

thx,,

AprilYSH · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2000 12:57 am

It didn't seem to fit 1024x768 for me.
Since we're only seeing the design, that's all we can comment on...

It would be great if you can get the backend functionality working. Didn't someone else say they were specifically donating coding time for this project? Track that person down!

Goodluck, good work so far.

Oscar Alexander · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2000 12:58 am

Hey you asses

I've been working on my Digital Artist's Resource for over a month now and I think it's time to get my galleries up and running (page 1 is up, in case you want to see an example).

So, whadda you say we put up your pictures on the DAR (no quantity limit)? I'll host the thumbnails, you'll host the full-size pics. I have a Photoshop Action to create proper thumbnails of the picture you want in our gallery. Furthermore, somehow I don't associate the title "Digital Dream" to an art site... but maybe that's just me.

Let me know what you think of it...

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Joachim · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2000 2:21 am

Nice start Proximo. But, I must say I agree with Alex here.

His page looks really nice, he's got a great interface. He has worked a lot on this page.
Also, if his page can get forums, vote for pictures in a hall of fame and maybe even some live chat (with nude girls

)....I think it can be the ultimate fun page for digital artists to hang around in.

Don't you agree. Why start building up a new one, instead of work with something great that has allready been made ?

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Mongoose · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2000 3:45 am

Me too, Alex's page is incredible. USE IT.

As for soda being so friggin critical about proximo's design, that was uncalled for.

Show us some of your work Soda. I'm in the mood to critique all of a sudden. >:

proximo · member Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2000 Posts: 467

Hey im all for useing oscars page,, but i just want to try one thing

.. i have this interface in my head that i think would look cool but maybe its just me.. but i want to see if would work eheh .. anyhow what ever is done in the end is cool .. it dont matter to me lates...

zapman · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2000 10:04 am

800x600 is what most ppl use.

I like your layout,

ZAPmAn

proximo · member Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2000 Posts: 467

zapman .. i had an 800 x 600 layout but i was reading some posts here and most people on this forum i think use 1024 x 768 or more .. and sence the majority of people using the page most likly will have 1024 x 768 i thought that would work out .. and thanks .. anyhow off to school .. late..

AprilYSH · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2000 9:17 pm

Okay, waitaminute. WHO is doing this and what is the PURPOSE???

From what *I* saw (and I could be wrong), 4s started the idea for an images archive ****especially for images posted HERE in the Sijun forum***. The thread was here http://www.sijun.com/dhabih/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000965.html

Then Tittle and 4 other guys (?) he mentioned but did not name in http://www.sijun.com/dhabih/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001052.html said they wanted submissions by email. (And in the same thread Loki made the 3-votes requirement suggestion.)

And now I see proximo has created a web interface design for pressumably the same archive idea we've been talking about.

Then Oscar Alexander pipes up and says he's been working on one for a month now.

So, WHO is doing it. Which site are we supposed to be looking at. Is the PURPOSE still the same as the original one 4s was talking about???

Joachim said: "Also, if his page can get forums, vote for pictures in a hall of fame and maybe even some live chat (with nude girls )....I think it can be the ultimate fun page for digital artists to hang around in. "

Which no longer goes with the original idea of keeping an archive of the most popular pics posted in this forum. It seems that idea would make Oscar's site a digital art website on its own, even if the forum points to this one, but NOT necessarily being just an archive of the popular pics from this forum.

I just don't like the duplicated effort and possibly ending up having to visit 20 different sites for the SAME project. This divides the art all over the place and NONE of the sites will be as good as it could have been if it was THE definitive one we all support.

I like the idea of a digital art archive. I like the idea of having only good pictures in there (hence I support the votes idea.) This would lead me to support it being only from a public forum where the votes are conducted, ie HERE. As a consequence, I think the design of the site should be similar (copied with permission) to THIS (Dhabih's) site.

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Loki · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2000 9:32 pm

Agreeed - the votes should be made here in this forum - that's the easiest way. Directly under the image. That's the most direct way. The image that get's enough votes can be sent off by the artist, containing a link to the thread, so the (let's call him for now) archive-master can verify if the images got enough votes when in doubt.

Sorry that I was giving proximo thumbs up for his site, I thought he belonged to the other guys. Anyway, I like his setup, and maybe he can help the other dudes ...

To solve this dilemma, somebody needs to step up and take charge ... so I call the original instigators to get moving, before we end up with 235 archives ...

proximo · member Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2000 Posts: 467

hey loki i was

i was talken with striker and some other guys on icq about this .. i didnt just decide to make one and say here

anyhow.. as far as voteing goes i think they should be able to post it in the forum and have votes or on the web site as well . and what i was thinking is have like a pending section so like people who dud just submit .. will have like a week to get 3 votes or somthing like that . im sure there is a cgi i can get for that .. also i found a site that will host it .. they give like 100 megs of space and will give more apone request.. anyhow gots to go late..

Striker · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2000 11:26 pm

Ok, here's the deal, as mentioned earlier, the archive idea was started by 4s, from there he hasnt had any contact with the rest of us. I liked the idea and started rounding up icq #'s of the other people on the forum that had shown interest in the project and 4 of us got together, shortly thereafter proximo got in on the deal (I believe the next night).

The most active people of the group are proximo, tittle, dakkan, and myself. And we are working to get this thing up as quickly as possible. Please keep in mind that WE ARE DOING THIS FOR FREE, the only profit we stand to gain from this is (as strange as it may sound) the satisfaction of providing a service that will make this awesome forum and community just a little bit better. We saw a hole that needed to be filled and we stepped up to do just that. Constructive criticism is openly accepted, in fact we have been posting progress reports for just that reason. But please try to make sure that all criticism is in a constructive format, if you see something you think is wrong, dont just let us know about it, let us know of possible solutions to the problem as well. For the most part the forum has been very good about things, just keep in mind that your all essentially in the back seat.... need I say more?

And the final point I'd like to make is that although it may seem as if its just a mess of people blindly running around in circles trying to get this thing done, I assure you we have been discussing this archive in depth in private chats, its just not always feasible to clue the forum in on every single step we take.

Thanks,

Striker

soda · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2000 12:03 am

supporting as many resolutions as possible and browsers includes to a good webdesign

so I should've been designed like it would work with "every" (paradox

) computer that people use in this forum...

ok ok I again me and my big mouth

and mongoose, you said that I was friggin critical....eh?
look who's talking

I hardly ever say something here and when I say I'll make sure that I certainly know what I'm talking about..

of course there is lots of different kinds of designs but most of them just looks crap as you should know...
and you should be able to distinguish good design from crap...

ok enough, I don't want any other flame wars here, this is just my opinion, if you don't like it, then just ignore it

Oscar Alexander · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2000 12:22 am

AprilYSH, what are you talking about "Oscar suddenly pipes up"? I started this whole idea months before you guys did (Ask Joachim and Loki - I mailed them right before I began). It wouldn't be such a bad idea to check out my site before opening your pie-hole again

I think the voting idea sucks ass. Why? Because not all people have the same taste. If someone spends 20 hours creating an image at the best of his skills, but it doesn't look great, I think he still should be able to put it up. The voting system is kinda discrimminating imho, sorry guys

I want to help you out by hosting the archive on the Digital Artist's Resource (supports all 4.0+ browsers and all resolutions), but there won't be any voting system. People can just email us the thumbnails of their work (height at 120, width is variable max. 250) together with the titles and the URLs of the fullsize images and we'll put 'em up. I'll give you guys (proximo, tittle, dakkan, and striker) the FTP usr/passwd so we can update the archive at the speed of light.

Joachim: No need for a forum, since we already have a great (populated) one, but the chat sounds pretty cool, especially for all those people working behind a firewall who can't access the IRC... I could also put up a voting system for the 10 best images (database?).

Please tell me this is the final thread concerning this subject, 'coz it's getting way too confusing...

Oscar Alexander | The Digital Artist's Resource

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AprilYSH · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2000 4:39 pm

Oscar Alexander,

quote:
Originally posted by Oscar Alexander:
AprilYSH, what are you talking about "Oscar suddenly pipes up"? I started this whole idea months before you guys did (Ask Joachim and Loki - I mailed them right before I began). It wouldn't be such a bad idea to check out my site before opening your pie-hole again

As I SAID in my post, I could be wrong. Besides, I never claimed to be a mind reader and know you were planning it via email before 4s ever posted the suggestion in February. As far as *I* know, your entry into the Sijun Guests Archive Project occured in this thread, AND I clicked to your website as soon as I read it. I don't care to suggest what hole YOU should shut.

quote:
Originally posted by Oscar Alexander:
I think the voting idea sucks ass. Why? Because not all people have the same taste. If someone spends 20 hours creating an image at the best of his skills, but it doesn't look great, I think he still should be able to put it up. The voting system is kinda discrimminating imho, sorry guys

This voting thing was never final. Just people stating their opinion on whether or not it's a good thing.

quote:
Originally posted by Oscar Alexander:
I want to help you out by hosting the archive on the Digital Artist's Resource (supports all 4.0+ browsers and all resolutions), but there won't be any voting system. People can just email us the thumbnails of their work (height at 120, width is variable max. 250) together with the titles and the URLs of the fullsize images and we'll put 'em up. I'll give you guys (proximo, tittle, dakkan, and striker) the FTP usr/passwd so we can update the archive at the speed of light.

Please tell me this is the [b]final thread concerning this subject, 'coz it's getting way too confusing...
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I happened to like your website except the drop down menus didn't clear when you moused out. (Netscape 4.7) I think the thumbnails only is a good idea.

Now, if you guys can work TOGETHER on this, that's mostly what I'd like to see. That would clear up my question about WHO is doing it and hence WHERE it is happening.

As to the PURPOSE, it seems to be getting redefined each time someone else defines the project. Is it for pics posted in this forum only or can you submit anytime you want? Is there going to be any quality control like a voting system or is it eventually gonna get filled with everyone's ms paint line art cos they spent 20 hours on it?

Is there gonna be any restriction to the definition of "Digital" art?

In the meantime, for the rest of us not involved in building the website, you know we should already be voting on the pics being posted in this forum, in the event that the voting thing gets implemented.

Birth by fire, this thing. Call it the Phoenix Archive or something :b

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Oscar Alexander · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2000 12:29 am

April... I noticed the menu-bug too in Netscape. However, the script works fine when the page is fully loaded. I suppose Netscape assigns its loading priority to the actual HTML content, and deals with the scripts later. Hence, the script won't work properly until the page is done loading. Now that you mention it... I could put an onLoad() check on the pulldowns! THANKS APRIL

If my idea comes though (vote for the 10 best images), we should have a select number of people who choose the 10 images that can be voted for.

Now then, lets work together like April says and make this thing the biggest digital art archive on the planet.

Take care,

Oscar Alexander | The Digital Artist's Resource

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Danny · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2000 5:34 am

Hear hear!

Danny

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8105 · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:15 am

HEH ....whatever.
I only read the first 2 or 3 posts...heheh

bored out of my mind sitting at work....dinking away....Ladi da da

8105

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ustorfixx · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2000 6:17 pm

Better watch out for aprilYSH - you might get killed! Just joking april..anyway. To answer your question, It really doesn't matter who does it. 20 sites could start it but I bet that only a few will actually do it good or the best. All the others will drop out. Oscar is right, this is an old idea. I thought about this along time ago but, didn't say anything because I didn't think it would be able to happen. To much work I said. But now I know I am wrong. This is going to be a very big thing and I think it will only be for the good of the artists. Don't worry about it and sit back, it's going to be a wild ride!

--Ustor

4s · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2000 10:01 pm

agreed- doesn't matter who does it, it just has to be good. i think what Oscar Alexander has going on right now is great.
this arcive thing is not my idea really, Oscar seems to have been working on his page probably before i thought about an 'archive'. and from all the discussoin that has been going on, this thing has become better in concept than i was thinking of.
i wish i could work on something and help out, but i have absolutely no time.. argh!

Oscar Alexander · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2000 5:16 am

Alrighty! Let's team up then! MORPHING TIME!

Since I can't possibly run the entire archive by myself, I guess we'll need 5 editors. One for each page (a-e, f-j, k-o, p-t, u-z), and some people who do quality checks back here at the forum (I already counted Danny in).

Editing the archive will require some HTML knowledge, but I can assure you I'll make a clear template + manual for you guys. If you want to help us build the biggest digital art archive on earth, mail me: [email protected] We'll discuss the voting (I prefer to call it 'quality checking') part later on.

I hope hearing from you guys soon, since I'm a person with little spare time

AprilYSH · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2000 7:01 pm

I'm a nice person, really

-- just want this to be good, was a bit(?) insensitive of people already working on it. hehe...

Someone was asking for a cgi enabled server? Apparently virtualave is free. Then you could store information (artist names, art category, description of each piece, url of big version) and be able to do a search on it with a cgi search form.

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Oscar Alexander · Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2000 7:08 am

For those who are seriously interested in this art archive project, please check out the DIGTAL ART ARCHIVE - FINAL THREAD! thread.

Oscar Alexander | The Digital Artist's Resource

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