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Ko member
Member # Joined: 17 Feb 2000 Posts: 457 Location: Aarhus, Denmark
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 1:06 pm |
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My only friend is my Wacom tablet!!
Who wants to get dirty anyway??? Wuadrr!
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micke member
Member # Joined: 19 Jan 2000 Posts: 1666 Location: Oslo/Norway
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 1:27 pm |
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I do it regulary to keep my skills alive.
The sketchbook comes handy when there's not a
computer around or when you had enough of sitting in front of the screen. It's great to do sketching and planning on paper before starting on a picture. It's not a matter what counts or not. Just what you prefer. The
only thing is that you can't hide behind any
filters or plug-ins on paper. You have to do it all by yourself.Start to draw people!!!
It can only improve the quality of the pics!
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Mongoose member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 363 Location: North
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 1:37 pm |
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I carry my sketchbook with me almost everywhere I go (its really quite odd.) There are always things that I find inspiring.. that doesn't mean that I stop and to a 2 hour rendering of it, but I like to do little 30 second gesture/still life sketches when I see something I think I could use in a more complex piece.
I paint quite a bit too, but I'm not the best painter in the world. My drawing skills are far superior to my painting skills.
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Binke member
Member # Joined: 27 Oct 1999 Posts: 1194 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 1:38 pm |
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Well, i dont have that much stuff at home..
and i don't got that much time to paint, (usually when I do paint, I paint with oils)
but it takes so much time preparing, so usually i just fire up the good ol computer, or sketch in my sketchbook
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Affected member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1854 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 1:48 pm |
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Mongoose, nothing odd about that.. My sketchbook is practically an internal organ these days. |
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Dakkan member
Member # Joined: 23 Jan 2000 Posts: 259 Location: London, England (Nationality: Belgian)
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 2:04 pm |
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well, i take a life drawing class (yes, the art class with the nekkid people, hehe), and use traditional methods for everything i do in that class (like paint, charcoal, conte, pastels, etc..) i think that learning to use traditional media builds up u'r art skill soooo much, and i suppose should be important to not only traditional artists, but graphics artists as well. anyone can learn to use photoshop or whatever, but u can easily the difference between a person who is just good at the computer, and a person who actually knows how to draw, paint, or whatever. even if u don't like paints, at least try drawing things from life. trust me, it helps a lot. damn, i'm rambling on, hehe.
hope u understand what i'm saying here ![](http://www.sijun.com/dhabih/ubb/smile.gif) |
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Affected member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1854 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 2:12 pm |
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What I've found interesting is that while traditional skills supposrt Photoshop work, it also goes the other way around. My techniques in PS and with, say, gouaches or acrylics are very similar.
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micke member
Member # Joined: 19 Jan 2000 Posts: 1666 Location: Oslo/Norway
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Frost member
Member # Joined: 12 Jan 2000 Posts: 2662 Location: Montr�al, Canada
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 2:22 pm |
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I mostly do photoshop work and some paper sketches to get some basic ideas down rapidly, sometimes even sketching directly in photoshop. I have never touched paints in my life, unless you consider water-paints in kindergarden... =)
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akh member
Member # Joined: 22 Jan 2000 Posts: 87
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 2:34 pm |
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I always paint and illustrate a lot. I think its important because its the fundamentals. Thats the way I started out, and I think that people with a painting background usually become a better digital artist, since all the talents can be easily converted to the computer.... which is why places like Pixar and ILM rather have traditional artists, because they can train them to use the computer. Also, its important to use traditional media if you plan on applying to universities. They always look for life drawing, and rarely care about computer imagry.
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eclipse member
Member # Joined: 11 Nov 1999 Posts: 140 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 3:03 pm |
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I paint with acrylics from time-to-time. I know this sounds corny but I find it to be very therapudic in a way. I always seem to feel better after. I dunno, maybe its just me. |
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CyberArtist member
Member # Joined: 04 Nov 1999 Posts: 284 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 3:11 pm |
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I used to paint, haven't done much lately with the exception of some stuff I did for my color and design class. My life drawings really suck if they're not from life, and even when they are, I have some rather bad proportion problems a lot of the time... which is why I'm taking a figure drawing class right now.
Carrying my art pad around is something I often wished I did because I'm always seeing things I want to sketch, but I rarely have it with me.
I actually do more real-media artwork than computer artwork, though that's changed a little now with the Wacom ... now I don't do either (doh).
I've noticed that it's much harder to do small details using natural media methods with digital tools, which is why we often work on huge canvases when doing digital work. We have to zoom in and do touch up work that'd just require one to lean into artwork a little in real-life.
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proximo member
Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2000 Posts: 467
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 4:40 pm |
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for the post up top were they said anyone can learn photoshop.. well anyone can but to make something out of nothing is the trueskill .. not anyone can make a worth while picture in photoshop , just like not anyone can draw on paper, i just think it was kind of a odd remark when you look at it photoshop is nothing more then an extended brush. |
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Funfetus member
Member # Joined: 26 Oct 1999 Posts: 343 Location: West Covina, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 6:52 pm |
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It takes a lot of the same skills to do good digital art and to do a good painting. All the same knowledge about proportion, composition, color, etc. apply in both mediums. Painting is harder, however, because frankly, working with paint is a bitch. I find it very difficult to make paint do what i want. I don't like mixing it, I especially don't like having to BUY it....
What i like most about digital art is that it gives me much more flexibility. I can try a lot of different things, and if something doesn't work out, i can go back easily. I don't have to mix paint, i don't have to keep spending money on supplies, I don't have to clean brushes, I don't get paint all over my hands, That, and digital paint doesn't drip, run, whatever. it's always wet and always dry at the same time. for me, it's just a lot more fun.
uh, yeah. okay then.
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Aiko Ito member
Member # Joined: 05 Feb 2000 Posts: 63 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 9:06 pm |
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I like getting my hands dirty, and I love mixing paint, you can get so much more color. Maybe I'm just not using the right program but I find it much easier to mix paint on canvas then on screen. I generally paint with oil, but acrylics have there use to. I wish I could say that I draw in a sketchbook, and that I actually make a prelim sketch, but I never do. Thats the one of the major reasons why I'm starting to like digital media, you can always resize the canvas. Where as with traditional media I get a lot of cropped heads or feet, becuase I don't bother to do a prelim sketch.
My figure drawing class is at 8 in the morning so its not very usefull to me cause I'm never awake enough to draw naked people before breakfast. The best way for me to learn how to draw figures and portraits is to look in the mirror.
Also not having a Wacom tablet, it seems really restricting to use a mouse after years of being able to draw or paint relitively anywhere. You can't exactly capture the moment of figure drawing on comp unless someone is standing right in front of you. I mean how many people get a model so you can draw on your comp?
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napalm member
Member # Joined: 09 Feb 2000 Posts: 326 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 11:02 pm |
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i hate sketching!@# it bores me and frustrates me, i want to hit control-z or select a section and drag it! After 3 years and 6 months (...and counting) of art school I'm just kind of sick of it. I had a 6 hour long drawing class, a 6 hour long painting class, every year except this one i was required to take some sort of life drawing class. I'd rather spend my time sketching on the computer, doing 3d or doing some sculpture. But thats just where i am mentally and artistically, i agree that its good to have a constantly updated sketch book and idea book - i just wish i had the drive/time/energy to keep one up.
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Affected member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1854 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2000 11:27 pm |
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I actually prefer paints in some ways... I don't use oils, though, water-based stuff is neat. crylics, gouaches, watercolours... I've especially been using goauches a lot, since I got a pack. It was dirt cheap, too, about 6 dollars for a 10-tube set. Although the tubes are small, you don't need to use that much of the stuff, and besides, since they're water-based, you don't need turpentine or anything. Just grab some brushes, paper, and a cup of water and you're set to paint. I love 'em, the way the dry up quicly so if you want to do blends you have to either be very fast about it or just do them with several shades in between the extreme values.
Here's the gouache version of the flow pic I posted a while back. Click on the thumbnail for a bigger pic.
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Affected member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1854 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2000 12:49 am |
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How many of you paint, you know, with paints? Or in general regularly make non-digital pictures? (pencil sketches and such for digital stuff doesn't count, I mean purely traditional stuff) |
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Muzman member
Member # Joined: 12 Jan 2000 Posts: 675 Location: Western Australia
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2000 12:55 am |
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not mee!
I suspect I'm in the minority though |
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zapman member
Member # Joined: 26 Feb 2000 Posts: 354 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2000 5:06 pm |
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I love doing art by hand, but its faster witht the computer. I do oil painting, airbrushing, you name it I done it =) Print making, Clay, stone, cardboard, food art i done it all in high school had wonderfull teachers!.
I am too lazy to finesh up my webpage =) like 99.9% you all out there.
well I will soon get around to Puting my 2D artwork on the webpage
( http://www.artwork.iwarp.com )
Right now i am in the prosses of Airbrushing my PC tower Case and going to Post a Tutorial on my webpage when i get done with it.
ZAPmAn
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Oscar Alexander member
Member # Joined: 21 Dec 1999 Posts: 295 Location: Amersfoort, the Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2000 4:26 am |
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I love working with a (as Danny once called it) 'propelling pencil' and some rough A4 paper. I also believe that you should get every aspect of your image right, before colouring it, since colouring is a pretty tedious and time-consuming job. Even though it was my first image, I think I actually 'wasted' my time colouring the Sioux indian. When I look back at it, I wish I had spent some more time on the modelling of character itself.
I've been studying the human anatomy a lot lately, which is the main reason why I haven't been posting anything. I think colouring an incorrect picture, is like starting to write a book without having a plot... maybe that's just me though
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Pigeon member
Member # Joined: 28 Jan 2000 Posts: 249 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2000 8:12 am |
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In response to Aiko Ito:
>You can't exactly capture the moment of figure drawing on comp unless someone is standing right in front of you. I mean how many people get a model so you can draw on your comp?
Hey, it's possible, and it's fun (you're the talk of the class). Anyway, check out http://members.aol.com/dndunakin/figures/david.html
It was done directly on the computer from a live model. I wheeled out a cart laden with a PowerMac and tablet (and a 50ft extension cord). After a couple minutes you forget that you're working on a computer. Only downer is you can't move around much.
But yeah, I work in traditional media too; whatever it takes to get the job done. |
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2000 9:26 am |
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Up until now, all the art I have done was traditional...hehe... I'm just now getting started in digital art; And I love it -- yeah, like Mongoose I carry my sketchbook and a pencil/eraser everywhere
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Danny member
Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2000 Posts: 386 Location: Alcyone, Pleiadians
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2000 1:50 pm |
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When I was still in Art College I was using all sorts of media. Gouache, pen&ink, pencils, oils etc. By far I love Colour pencils the most. I've got this awesome set of 108 Karisma colour pencils that are just a joy to work with. However as time went on I've decided to focus myself completely on the digital medium for several reasons. I haven't really felt the urge to pick up my pencils again.
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Aiko Ito member
Member # Joined: 05 Feb 2000 Posts: 63 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2000 6:04 pm |
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Hey Danny you should post some old Coloured Pencil drawings if you still have any. I've done a few drawings with Berol Prismaolor pencils. But I can only seem to get the affects I want with toned paper.
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Member # Joined: 20 Feb 2000 Posts: 94
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2000 7:19 pm |
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quote: Originally posted by CyberArtist:
I've noticed that it's much harder to do small details using natural media methods with digital tools, which is why we often work on huge canvases when doing digital work. We have to zoom in and do touch up work that'd just require one to lean into artwork a little in real-life.
keep in mind when your drawing on a canvas every paintparticle is like a pixel, and the resolution if you tranlated it to a computerscreen would be like 99999x99999, which uhh,,,right now computers cant handle that amount. thats why you need to draw a picture thats larger then the screen to be able to get lotsa detail in the pic. and a little detail in a real life drawing is never like a paintparticle, its made of of thousands. like the most talented artists i drawing the pic at 4:1 scale, and not worrying about every single. uhh yeah you're prolly tired of my rambling so check out like impact.frag.com and read the news that sumaleths posted like way back where he describes his stile
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Aiko Ito member
Member # Joined: 05 Feb 2000 Posts: 63 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Tue Feb 29, 2000 12:46 am |
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To Pigeon
Hey thats awesome! I guess if your really used to drawing on the comp, there isn't much difference. But I'm guessing you used a tablet, so it was more compareable to real drawing? I have yet use anything but a mouse for an extended period of time, and I feel it vey constricting. And maybe its just me but when your in a class with about 25 people the constant clicking gets extremely annoying!
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