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Mongoose · Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2000 2:17 pm

Any of you boys run Linux, or at least know how to use it?

I'm just curious... I ran Linux for years, but I *HATE* Gimp, so I am now a Windows user.

/mongoloid.. err.. mongoose

Jerrid · Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2000 2:34 pm

So what are you asking again?

kroy · Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2000 3:11 pm

what do ya need to know Mongoose? been using as my web/nat/mail/database server for about 2 years now.

Mongoose · Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2000 4:13 pm

I wasn't asking anything, I was just curious. I think Linux-users are a rare breed when it comes to the art "world", I was just lookin' to see how many of you guys have familiarized yourselves with it.

/dev/null/mongoose

kroy · Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2000 4:38 pm

haha, well I don't think there's a real incentive for most artists (on this board at least) to go out and learn unix/linux. Its just not a very viable alternative yet.

Poor USB support (though that is quickly changing), poor Video card support (with XFree 4.0, that shouldn't be an issue anymore), and the fact (more of an opinion really) that GIMP just isn't as good as photoshop leaves little reason for digital artists to move over to linux.

Not that I'm knocking Linux of course, I'm a unix/linux programmer/sysadmin by trade =) I just think it'll be a bit before digital artists will consider it as a real alternative.

Cypher · member Member # Joined: 12 Jan 2000 Posts: 81

I use Linux. I got my drive repartitioned and I'm running Linux and Windows. Linux is a bit clunky and it's hard as hell to update! When you have to update it, it's easier to format the whole thing and reinstall everything than just do it separately. Besides that, it's about 1000 times more stable and resource-saving than Windows. I'm using it right now.

They're supposed to come out w/ a very stable interface for it soon... The best thing about it though, is that you can download it for free. (always a good thing.)

Oscar Alexander · Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2000 12:26 am

ON A COLD DAY IN HELL!

Windows has all the software you could possibly want, and I think that if Linux would support more RAM-munching utilities such as Photoshop or Lightwave, it would crash just as much as Windows does now...

I ran SuSE 6.1 for a couple of weeks, and found it boring as hell.

Pigeon · Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2000 4:47 pm

I don't know of any artist folk who use Linux. Isn't Linux/Unix mostly a stable platform for programmers and servers at this point? Maybe MacOS X with its built-in UNIX capabilities will open up some doors for artists who use Macs.

Physch · junior member Member # Joined: 02 Feb 2000 Posts: 22

Hey, Oscar, why are 90% of the server running UNIX and not NT?

ka0z · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2000 12:19 am

Psycho, thats not actually true. About 40% of servers in the internet run Windows NT. About 40% run Un*x flavors (Linux, Slowaris, AIX, etc) and the 20% that is left runs NetWare. There is a small ammount of OS/2, MacOS servers, but they dont even appear

Windows is the best platform to develop your 'digital art' or whatever graphics related you do. Un*x its just no up to the graphic standarts. Well, of course SGI's IRIX is, but you need a SGI machine, so its kinda an EXPENSIVE alternative for the common user

braindead · junior member Member # Joined: 20 Jan 2000 Posts: 19

"Get the gimp and force yourself to use it for one week". i don't see the point in using photoshop when i have to pay $xxx for it (please don't tell me where i could get it for $0

and if you like eye candy, enlightenment, gnome and gimp is the perfect combo. i don't do "traditional art", but many website gfx stuff with the gimp.

Wintermute II · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2000 4:58 am

Sorry Oscar,

There is no question Unix variants are more stable than Windows 95/98. That is just a fact of the OS architecture.
Windows 2000 kinda makes that statement redundant though...as far as I know it supports all Windows 95/98 software and of course is as stable as NT. Has anyone tried it with Photoshop yet?

Affected · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2000 5:35 am

Hm.. A friend of mine installed Win 200, and got into serious trouble with it... The thing wouldn't uninstall, and even a format wouldn't quite seem to remove what it had put in the boot sector...

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Oscar Alexander · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2000 5:52 am

Psych, most daemons run in console mode and do NOT consume much of the system resources (unlike Photoshop and Lightwave). That's why Unix is a very stable platform for running apps such as webservers.

I wasn't quite right though, 'coz Silicon Graphics workstations also run Unix, and they seem to be able to handle Maya without any problems... Sorry.

Affected, guess he never heard of fdisk /mbr ?

[This message has been edited by Oscar Alexander (edited February 05, 2000).]

Affected · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2000 6:37 am

Oh, he got it fixed up after a bit...

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Kryon · Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2000 6:22 am

I've tried the Win2000 + Photoshop combo, and even though i got Photoshop working, it displays A LOT of error messages in the start-up. But it seems to function allright.
The reason of the errormessages is, that Win2000 won't allow you to copy any files into the system directory (thats one of the reasons its so stabile).

Well, right now i use PS i win98 - at least until ill get a PS w2k update...

/kryon

sfr · Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2000 7:42 am

Huh? I've got Photoshop, Painter and everything working just fine under Win2k. And of course it allows you to copy files into the system directory. The stability comes from its NT heritage but overall (in my experience) Win2k seems a bit less stable than NT, mainly thanks to the integration of IE5 and DirectX 7.

Saffron / Sunflower

Count Zero · Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2000 8:54 am

Ran win98/RH5.2 for a while on this baby, but then had to format the entire motherraper...
And now I can't reinstall RH 'cause my friend stole the CD's.

As I've mentioned before, I'm not a digital artist, but I do value stability for ANY app. and Linux was stable, though I didn't have much time to use/learn it...
I really should get Linux back, upgrade the kernel, and pray that my GeForce won't fuck it up completely. *sigh*

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Mongoose · Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2000 1:05 pm

Yay! A topic I posted earned a "shiney" folder!

I've ran win2k/NT4/win98/win95/os2/redhat/slackware/beos/suse/mandrake and caldera open linux.

I haven't tried Debian yet, but that's just because I have been reformed into a windows-baby :/

chrisk82 · member Member # Joined: 16 Jan 2000 Posts: 91 Location: CO

You all have to understand that Win2000 is not for the home user nor the graphic artist. It is used for large corporate businesses who need WinNT and want a more Win98 feel and much more stability.

Microsoft will be releasing the next Windows for home users on the new millenium. It will be called Windows Millenium in fact. I believe it will begin to add more network features for home users and provide a much more solid performance like Win2k.

Also, Win2k is NT based. Therefore, your programs must be compatible with NT before you can use them.

I think as the internet plays a bigger role in computers, we will see more NT Based programs for home users, we're already seeing MS combine both forms of windows.

I'm pretty sure most of this is true. My sister and her boyfriend just attended a Microsoft Presentation thing that tought them about all this stuff and gave them a shit load of free software!! Including 2 copies of Win2k and Office 2000 premium!

starfish · member Member # Joined: 07 Feb 2000 Posts: 126

Well, being the first message I post here
I'm gonna bring you some good news.
Photoshop will be on linux in the fall =D
Take care all

/starfish

sfr · Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2000 3:17 pm

chrisk82, Win2000 is definitely for the graphic artist. At least I can't imagine doing any work on 98, it's too unstable and not too manageable as any installation gets corrupted much faster than with NT/2000.

Software compatibility is not a real problem either; NT differs from the 95/98 variety of Win32 API only in some small details that mostly concern server software only. And in fact it's 98 that suffers from compatibility problems as most 3D software is designed for NT.

About Windows 'Millennium': it _won't_ provide more solid performance, since it's basically another renamed service pack for Windows 98, just like 98SE was. You'll have to wait a few more years before the DOS-based Windows 95/98 line is finally put to death and an NT/2000-based product becomes the choice for home users as well.

Saffron / Sunflower

Blind · Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2000 3:58 pm

Adobe is releasing Photoshop for Linux in the fall?! SPOOOOOOOGE!!

That means I can build my dual-proc, dual-monitor & Intuos system, run linux AND have my Photoshop?! I''ll be quite the happy camper that day!

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Kewldezigns · Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2000 10:15 am

I use Linux to share my cable modem on the 8 node network at the house. That way you can take the laptop in any room and have at it. Redhat 6.1 is very easy to ip masquerade.

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