[lotor]

Spitfire reread what you just posted and you will see that you contradicted yourself by saying "How do I know these people are in it for the passion and not the fame? Because they make a form of music that is , as obviously demonstrated on this forum, hated and passionately rejected" and then you contradict that statement by saying "even if MTV would play sXe hardcore all the time, it would still be real music."

I agree that a lot of these bands like Backstreet and Britiany would not be together if it was not for the fame and money.

But Salty had a good point that if a bend was making music for themselves that you would never hear it. People usually make music so they can make a statement and it will be heard by many and not interupted. (I said usually, not always)

Rage Against the Machine has a message. I may not agree with it all the time but I am hearing it.

Radiohead is another band with a message that I may not agree with but I love that band more for the sounds than the content honestly.

I will try to check out some of the music by Poisonthewell and see if I like them because I love hearing new and different kinds of music.

bye

[Nex]

About this "real" music thing.

there are som productions out there.. made purely to gain $ out of them that I can barely call music.
I don't say that everything commercial is bad, but some crap out there, especially in the electronic music scene is really getting me mad.

Why do some guys that happen to have enough money to buy some synths and a computer think that they are musicans already.
EVERYONE can make some of this crap stuff.
All you need is a finger to start your beat machine and another finger to start the synth auto accomp.
I mean I know how long you need to write a good band based piece of music, you can't compare that at all.
So I think there IS something like "not real" music out there.

When music is not about expressing something, some emotion/state of mind, any more I cannot call it real music.

[Spitfire]

Lotor, if you place that sentence in its context instead of taking it out, you will see that i am not contradicting myself. I am stating that even if they DID get paid for the music they make, it would still be real music because they would not compromise their beliefs, music and attitude because of their exposure and popularity. I have seen this with bands like boysetsfire and shadows fall getting signed on major labels while still keeping their integrity intact.

[Count Zero]

Duhh... I jus like da purdy noise.


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[Spitfire]

That's only an excuse 'cause you're finnish

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Oy!


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[DeadlySCSI]

Whoa... it's only music...

[Nex]

only?

[FaithInChaos]

music is an art, art can be anything; for example what some may consider pornography others consider priceless master pieces. music can be anything too, and its pointless to argue what is music and what isnt, because everyone has a different perspective.

i used to listen to a lot of hardcore,
depending on what you consider hardcore...
i like alot of power violence bands like his hero is gone. my favorite music though is black and death metal.

my favorite band right now is krisiun you want to talk about talent, there is no one who can play drums or guitar faster. they are masters of endurance....i just saw them play with the crown and nile

[Spitfire]

*gargle* Nile... Lucky bastard.

[Nex]

Hmm.. Sure everybody has his own taste on music and has his own opinions on that but I'd not say that every opinion is equally right. (Of course everybody has the right to hear whatever music he/she wants to hear.)

Its like when someone would say "All classical music is such a crap!"

Its his opinion, but its simply not true.

The same is true for other music. IF music is crap or not does not depend on if i like it or not but if there is something "behind it".

And why "only?" music:
Music reflects quite well how we see ourselves and what matters to us.. kind of like:
"Tell me your music style and I will tell you who you are."

hm.. yep-

[I guess this topic has quite a lot of discussion potential]

[Brishen]

*Slips on a banana peel to elicit some cheap laughs* Oh, look! It's Attempt at Levity Girl!

Wowee, y'all have made some interesting points. It's nice to see opinions intellectually defined on a deeper level than, "Dude, you like SUCK!" Although, really, the phrase has its merits....

I like music in general. I've heard songs by the Backstreet Boys, KoRN, the Beatles, Beach Boys, Scratching Post, and Neal fuckin' McCoy that really move me. (Bless Kenny Rogers and his Gambler, I say!) And in my opinion, they've all got merit.

I used to discount every other than Pearl Jam as crap, because I was easily influenced by my peers, a group of kids who had sway and according to whom, anything other than Pearl Jam was crap. But in gaining years and wisdom - errr, and losing the friends - I grew to accept many forms of music. And to overcome my passion for Eddie Vedder. (It's the throaty growl, boys.) I dunno. In accepting differences on many levels, I've only grown as a person, not lost my musical identity. (WTF is a musical identity? I don't know. It's late. Leave me alone! ) What am I saying? Don't fear being open; you can maintain your beliefs? Sure, let us go with that....

In closing, may I wittily remark that Pearl Jam rules.

And that I heard a great song by Skunk Ananse once, chorus repeated "Just because you're cool, it doesn't mean you're right," and if anyone's ever heard of it, I must know more. Ooh, look at that lyric. How relevant.

What was I saying?

Something about Eddie Vedder? Must go back to the shrine.

Jess

[Catfish]

quote

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And that I heard a great song by Skunk Ananse once, chorus repeated "Just because you're cool, it doesn't mean you're right," and if anyone's ever heard of it, I must know more

Uhhh...I think u mean 'Hedonism (Just Because You Feel Good)' [just because you feel good, doesn't make it right]
Its on the Stoosh album - good album, btw.

Catfish

[Affected]

Oh, to get back to the snippet of lyrics Spitfire posted... A little unrelated, but I have a bit of a problem with these militant sXe folks. I'm vegan, and don't drink, do drugs - the works - but I choose not to call myself straight edge, largely because of the militant fools. It's a dilemma, really - on one hand I have a lot of respect for people who are devoted to their cause, whatever it be, but on the other hand I think they're doing more damage to their cause than good...

There, got that out of my system.

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[Spitfire]

Interesting point, Heikki.

Overall, i do not support 'militant' sXe because their dedication involves forcing their opinion upon others. No matter how righteous your beliefs, you should allways give people the right of their own choice. Facedown, however, see direct (physical) action as a very last resort. They also respect the rights of other people to choose what they deem right - but only if they choose out of knowledge and not out of ignorance, as app. 90% of today's world does.

I can name other bands, and 'active' people, like the italian band reprisal, that have a different, false point of view. They believe that the masses are too stupid to understand the 'higher morals' they persue and therefore should be forced to make the right decisions. This is pure fascism in the most literal sense of the word, and righteous sXe/Vegan people should take distance from fools like this.

I, by the way, am sXe nor vegan/vegetarian, but that's for entirely different (conscious!) reasons that could as well be discussed for over 5 pages... Nevertheless i fully respect people who have the strength to place so many restrictions upon themselves, i just think moderation takes just a bit more strength.

[Affected]

Me, I just don't see how anyone can hope to make people act more ecologically by threatening them. Vegans are a niche, and far too few in numbers to be able to pose a a serious threat to the rest of the population. And a serious threat is what you need to be for people to change their ways because of terrorism. Now, direct action is simply working against the cause. Most people don't think meat production and consumption is wrong in any way, but they do believe the actions taken by militant vegans are unethical. Direct action is not working at this point. Propaganda is the way.

[Spitfire]

Like i said, its only the very last resort.

Propaganda works. We used to have 1st-sat-of-the-month happenings here when we passed out flyers and had people speaking & stuff. It kinda died out after the main core 'sold out' (they were only into sXe/veganism because of the bands involved in it - sad)

Anyway, most people dont choose. They just dont know or dont want to know and only when they truly know what choices there are they can choose.

[DeadlySCSI]

You're insane and a little bit evil... I hope you know that... something is seriously lacking in your life.

[DeadlySCSI]

Damn... why did I post that... from Music to Vegans... to my mouthing off at the wrong time... I appologize...

[Spitfire]

heheh well i *am* evil but i dont think there's anything lacking in my life. Well... come to think of it... that Athlon 1GHZ...hmm... and my sexlife isnt wat it used to be... and...

[Affected]

I'd be quite happy with some sleep.

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[DeadlySCSI]

As the post heads ominously towards the 3 page mark, I ask myself... Why? Oh why oh why?... a 1Ghz... and I'm stuck with a P166 for the internet and a AMD-K6/2 300 w/3Dfx Banshee to do all the fun stuff on...

[rikkitikkitavi]

Well, I believe that any kind of music out there is real music.

What I find funny is when people start going on (myself included sometimes) about how all such and such music sounds the same. It really makes me think of the racist comments, "All chinese look the same to me." or "All blacks look the same to me." Your taste, environment, friends, personality, everything else affects which groups you like, about like people you feel comfortable around with and your cultural biases.

Another interesting thought, several years ago when the song "What's Up?" came out, with that terrible female singer, a friend of mine said the following:

"I really hate this song...but almost all of my friends like it, so I'll probably end up liking it too."

Just thought I'd inject some of my own thoughts.

Oh, as for my taste in music, I mostly listen to traditional Christian gospel music (none of the contemporary rock or anything like that but the old time in-church gospel music).



[This message has been edited by rikkitikkitavi (edited September 15, 2000).]

[Isric]

I believe all music is stupid. Wombats created the first music, but when humans took over in 1782, we screwed it up bigtime.

We all know that music started as a way to prepare food. As such it must still be respected as an ancient tradition. Microwave salesmen to this day are tought the old songs and stories about cooking mice and gubs.

So if music started of with small animals to prepare food, we can assume it wasn't meant for people. people should stick to their plastic making, and leave the music to the better equiped.