[luther]

Hi,
I was just wondering how many of you use messy stuff to do pictures and if so, what do you use? I started out using inks and then moved on to gouache but stopped painting on paper a few years back; With the digital stuff, my day job and programming I have very little time for anything other than pencil sketches, normally prep work for a final computer piece. It's still the case with most people that a painting gets more respect from your average joe and also has value as a unique 'object'; A binary image which can be copied perfectly every time does not have that uniqueness. How do you think the great digital artists will be remembered, if at all, in the future? Is it in the nature of our medium to be forgotten in the deluge of digital information? And who really can tell (other than those with trained eyes) if a digital image was created by fine artisan skills or is merely a touched up photograph?
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on these things.

Luther.

[Affected]

I'll use anything I can get my hands on. Acrylics, pastels, inks, pencils.. I'll make metal typesets, to be heated and pressed on to thermal paper. (Neat effect)
Anything. I don't limit myself.

[B]

same here i'm multi talented,. ahdn't tried the metal thing, though,. but i do work with a lot of waxwork to make small jewelry, and ceramics.. kilns are kewl.. saveing up to get a pottery wheel,. the one i want costs $1800,.. hrm almost there... heh i have two cars and the combined amount doesn't even equal that

b

[SPike.CoM]

I paint acrylics whenever I have enough time over... that is at weekends and some nights. I think it's fun. Well, actually, I just started doing this some month ago and already at two paintings (although they aren't done yet they look cool).

Then I paint with watercolors, which is a bit harder to make any damn good results in my opinion... I always overwork. Not always a good idea in this medium.

I've tried pastels a bit, kinda fun. And I always sketch with pens ranging from 2H to 6B (ain't got anyother, but what I use is still sufficient).

I use ballpointpens and filtedtippens whenever I am doodeling (at school).

I would recommend acrylics or watercolors if anyone wants to start non-digital painting. Although it is expensive to start (I've just noticed I spent WAY to much on colors and brushes).

[luther]

Cool, nice to see at least a few of you guys do stuff outside the computer too. Those metal font things sound pretty cool, I haven't seriously tried any metalwork although I've done a fair bit of woodwork.
I like 3d stuff though, as a kid I used to make nets of objects then fold them up to make star wars spaceships and the like
Unfortunatley, after getting a job I don't have much time for painting; I normally work pretty hard on my paintings, from around 9 am till 12 midnight for about a week or more and with a job (especially where I am now, in japan with 10 - 12 hour days every day) I find I simply don't have to time to devote to it. Do you guys have a lot of spare time or something?

Tim.

[B]

actually i have no free time,. i have to schedule time away from everyone, so i can do things,. and if i don't get my freetime then i quit my job ,. i have no need for too much money anyhow, I am artiste'.

so, are those paintings, photographs, photographs thrown in to photoshop and mangled with?.
anyway,. if they're paintings, then they truly rock

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[Ahmad]

Uh... I suck at any traditional, but i draw things a lot... Anime/manga style, buildings, landscapes, etc. tho i suck real bad at drawing real life people...

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[Shrimpish]

oh, man, that thing about the digital artists not being remembered in the future is kinda harsh. I think that digital art is the future of all illustration, and more traditional artists are moving towards it every day...
I think that traditional media is the one that's in trouble. And the fact that it can be duplicated doesn't mean anything, besides the fact that the artist gets more popularity. That's how Dhabih became popular in the first place. All digital art is still copyrighted and protected by government laws, so you can't rip it off.
Also, the digital media gives you much more freedom with what you're doing, it's a lot less expensive, and it's not messy. Instead of walking to the store to buy a new brush, you take 3 minutes to make one on the computer.(for free!)
Finally, take a moment to visit this site: http://www.goodbrush.com This guy is a proffesional artist and he's the best example of why you'd switch. He used to be a proffesional traditional media artist, and he switched to digital. (for obvious reasons)
Of course, traditional media has its own importance, and it offers a completely different level of artistic satisfaction, but today's generation's into computers. (go figure!)

Later!

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[B]

i disagree,.
traditional art will never go away, paint brushes are expensive, so is paint., but if you think about the thousands of dollars you throw int a computer,. it is actually pretty cheap.

i would never choose a computer made image over an authentic painting, you just don't get the feel to it, yea you can get it to look almost identical, but the physical texture is what many many people like. or so i would assume.

also, working with traditional media help you to better feel what you're doing in your graphic applications. they help your to understand why your dark blue turns pink the you use the dodge and burn tool,. color composition and all that mumbo jumbo.

b

[Shrimpish]

Hehe...
That dark blue turns pink because it's a mixture of red and blue, so it's more of a dark purple that fools you. Practicing with traditional media wouldn't help me understand that.
And yes, traditional media will stay around, of course, it's just that a LOT of artists are moving towards computers.
And as far as cost, I'd rather pay $5,000 one time for a computer, all the software and hardware I need to do digital art, than pay $5,000 a year as a traditional artist.
Each one has its ups and downs, but as far as the future... well, I guess we'll live and see...

[B]

you can't tell me you don't upgrade your computer year after year also?,.

i have brushes, that i've been using for many years, before i even had a computer. as long as they're cleaned they will last nearly forever,. you ever see what happens to a computer dipped in turpentine?

it's a long debate that many people have gone through, there is no answer, just preference,. i prefer computers to work with, <they're clean> but it will never replace what i do with paints and ceramics,.

i suppose it is just more gratification of creatingsomething out of mud or paints,. because there are no undo's, no layers that you can edit,. actually i suppose there could be a way for layers, but that'd require glue and a tic-tac,. anyhoo

[Affected]

I like both a lot. I find traditional methods are more immediate and intuitive to use, whihc means you can get results sooner. And I like being able to push painta round with my fingers, mix chemicals, try stuff you just couldn't do on a computer.

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[B]

which brings up another valid point, if you've ever dressed a woman in just paint,. it's not the same as if you did it on the computer,. you just can't have the same feel,.

[Shrimpish]

That's also a different branch of art. I was referring strictly to canvas, wood and paper painting.
I used to draw in charcoal a lot, I like the way things turn out with it, even if you just mess around. But it's not fun getting your hands all black... Errghh.

Hey, what's your opinion on abstract art? Not Picasso style, but the--"new generation," throwing paint on the canvas, drawing a dot on a wall and calling it a masterpiece--kind of art. Here's one:

It's called "THE BIG 'N'"
Pretty ingenoius, huh?

[luther]

I think that the tactile nature of painting is something that a computer cannot replace. You get a lot closer to the materials you are using when painting, the different colours and mediums smell different for one thing (I tried not to use magic marker too much, I think it was making me high.. not always a bad thing though)
One strange thing I noticed when doing a painting after doing a few digital pics is that I kept trying to press undo...
And those pics on my gallery are all done by hand, the medium is listed at the top of the screen: I never scan in photographs, it kind of defeats the object.

Luther.

[Ahmad]

One thing that digital media has an advantage over traditional is the great "Undo" button;P
But, yeah. Traditional gives a certain satisfaction feel (not that digital gives none), of a different type...

[Shrimpish]

LOL!!!

I wouldn't pass up a chance like that. I'd piss on my computer to dress a chick in paint

Just kidding... (yea right)

[SPike.CoM]

It's bitchy, after a while on digital art I tend to forget.. Natural art doesn't have any undo... Ay ayay!

[Artic]

Hmm... Intresting subject! I'think digital-art will be equally accepted as traditional art very soon, and the artists will be legends. In the 3d there are some really famous "artist" like Dan Ablan, Bill Fleming.