[[Shizo]]

You know what, it might actually work since many people who grow and sell weed to kids are doing so because of an amazing amount of money it generates. So if it was easy to grow it the price would go down and people would move on to do other things for money, like stealing

[Awetopsy]

or selling crack cocaine to minors...

then we would start having discussions on why we should legalize crack cocaine. etc. etc. extacy... etc... etc mushrooms

"Oh your honour, Mushrooms are a natural substance that grows in our very own area.. legalizing it would..... yadda yadda yadda"

[Gort]

Yo Giga - have you ever thought that the reason the kids in your school are high is because they can go almost anywhere, call almost anyone and readily get weed? If it were legal and regulated, then obtaining that weed would be very difficult. As it stands almost any kid of any age (well not any age but you know what I mean) can get weed. The same was true of Alcohol Prohibition in the US back in the 1920s; there were kids using and abusing the hell out of alcohol and taking part in it's underground market.

[[Shizo]]

I don't see how legalizing weed would make it harder to get. Absurd..

[Matthias321us]

weed should be lagalized, your right, it makes sense, if theres enough regulation on something legal like that it stops being so dangerous, but that doesn't excuse the fact that all the average person sees it as is something bad, and so illegal it will stay.

crack is flat out dangerous so that's not really the next step dude, but I definitely see your point, it's the same reason I won't go past making out with my girlfriend, if you don't take any steps you don't go any further,
there's really no point in discussing this on-line, if you wanna make a difference write your congresman

[Awetopsy]

[edit] removed this post because I think the picture I posted caused confusion about my demeanor. [/edit]

[ September 12, 2002: Message edited by: Awetopsy ]

[Coaster]

The loud hum that eminates from my wall (the one which on the other side has weed growing) is actually kind of pleasing, so what not?

[Gort]

No offense Awe - but that George Bush thread was the dead horse beater - good grief.

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I don't see how legalizing weed would make it harder to get. Absurd..

It is not absurd. The Dutch and Spanish governments has shown by proof that it is not absurd. When I was 16, there were any number of people I could just call up and acquire pot - no ID check needed. By decriminalizing marijuana, the criminal element is removed. Why sell it? Who's gonna buy it off the street when it's readily available? The dealer on the street and behind closed doors will cease to exist; there will no longer be any money to be made in that old way.

The Dutch recently did a study and found that teens were no longer interested in pot. The subversive and counter culture nature of doing something illegal was no longer there and thus lost its appeal.

It isn't absurd. It's reality, and it's been going on for years overseas. It's no wonder that then US drug czar McCaffrey was laugh at in Dutch parliment when he told them of their "failed drug policy" - like he's one to talk.

[J Bradford]

I say legalize the f00kin shite.

[edible snowman]

awetopsy, that arguement is absolutely ridiculous.

[Basement bound]

*hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.....*

[Rat]

Legalize it, and make cigarettes and cigars illegal. There. Unfortunately, just about everything is owned indirectly by a tobacco company, so...

[elam]

Up until 1915, marijuana was legal in the United States, but it's primary benefit and use was hemp.

From 1915 to 1937, it was taxed and could only be prescribed by a doctor. Same classification as Morphine and Codine.

I read this really interesting speech a USC law professor gave to California Judges Association on the history of Marijuana laws and legislation in America. He published a book about it as well.

It's fucking great.

At one point he explains that during some sensational murder trials(think OJ) during the 30's and 40's, defendants used the "Marijuana Insanity Defense", in which they claimed to have committed murder because they were stoned.
In one case they brought in a doctor, a pharmicologist, who testified at one of the trials, and when asked to his expertise with Marijuana, he claimed to have smoked some.
So they asked him what happend when became high, he states "..that after two puffs, I became a bat." And he proceeded to fly around the room for 15 minutes.

Read it. It's humorous.

If there's stupid kids in your school it's because they're kids. All kids are fucking stupid.

I'm convinced there's three types of people in the world:
Those who drink.
Those who get high.
And those who don't do either(or much else for that matter).

I think your personality dictates your vices. I, personally, think stoners are way cooler than alcoholics.
You ever lived with an alcoholic? It fucking sucks. Loud as hell, violent, destructive. Themselves amplified.
What the worst with living with a pothead? Eat your food?

[ September 11, 2002: Message edited by: elam ]

[Golongria]

I agree, I don't smoke weed myself, mainly because I have kind of an addictive personality, and I fear that I will get addicted to it if I even try it, so I just avoid the stuff. But alcohol is something that I feel I have more control over (which may sound retarded I realize) because of people I've known who were alcoholics, and I've seen how it can ruin lives. But despite the fact that I don't smoke it, I completely agree with decriminalizing it (very different from legalizing it for those of you who are uninfomed on the topic, it's something that gets talked about in New Mexico every month practically). I just have to wonder when our government is going to realize that it's everywhere already, and they just need to give up a futile battle against something way out of their league.

[Awetopsy]

Edible snowman: It was just the point I was trying to make.. Im not necessarily saying they're gonna start trying to legalize crack cocaine.. im just saying that legalizing weed is pointless because we are never satisfied... Its in our nature to push the limits, to be rebellious... to see what else we can get away with, or get the law recended on.

Elam: whats worse then that is an alcohoic-pot-head. I used to live above a family of them. they were loud, cranky, and they stank. they never cleaned their house, they always played loud music, and they always fought and yelled at each other... the police knew them by name.

[ September 11, 2002: Message edited by: Awetopsy ]

[bld]

Weed should be legalized and regulated like alcohol. I mean, I prefer alcohol and its hard to get and hide when your young. Weed just makes me slow, giggly, and stupid.

[Gort]

I was reading another thread, and the topic of legalizing weed came up. So here's something to chew on:

Now first let me say that I don't smoke weed - anymore, but I believe marijuana should be decriminalized. The Dutch have shown that the decriminalization of marijuan does work. The element of crime is taken away, and the police are left to focus on more serious crimes. Additonally the regulation of marijuana has made it harder for minors to acquire it, and marijuana use by minors has dropped dramatically in Holland over the years.

Ok...let's roll with this one if you dare, and PLEASE do me one favor: try to be civil about this and leave the mud slinging out.

[gigatron]

I say no to weed :/ Sorry to the cigaweed luvaz out there. I have enough high kids in my school and they are pretty stupid no offense they admit it too :/

[Gort]

Hear yea! Awetopsy has made the uber judgment on pot smokers based upon his own miserable experience. Chalk one up for prejudice.

I personally know lots of pot smokers. Some are lawyers, some are doctors, all are responsible people and all are the most loving parents and/or devouted spouses anyone could ever want.

Consider that the War on Drugs in America is a failed policy. Unbiased studies have clearly stated that the US Gov't throws millions - if not billions - away anually on a failed policy. Decriminalizing pot would help ease off some of that expenditure and let the authorities focus on more important things - like protecting citizens from terrorism, battered wifes from abusive, violent husbands, children from molestors, and so on and so on and so on...

[edible snowman]

awetopsy- alright. but i dont think anyone can actually logically believe that people would consider taking this further and legalize crack or something. the issue with weed is that the reasons against it are somewhat murky and may not justify the amount of money we spend trying to prevent people from getting it. with how dangerous some of the other drugs are, i dont think that will ever become an issue.

[Gort]

Furthermore...

A common and popular argument by the pro-War on Drugs crowd is that marijuana is a gateway drug to harder drugs. To date there is no scientific data that states using marijuana will make you want to do crack, smack, extacsy, etc. ; however, research has shown that a person is more likely to be exposed to other, harder drugs through the underground, black market drug trade. If you're out associating with people that sell marijuana, there's a good chance that you might encounter someone with cocaine or any other hard drug; it's then accessible thus leading to a chance of experiementation/ingestion.

If pot were legal, then said association would not exist. It works in Holland and Spain quite well.

[atomicmonkey]

As I said in the other post, yes, legalize it.

The benefits outweigh whatever false claims uninformed people continue to make *hint* *cough* *hint*. Honestly, any bad experience you have with people can be realted to their pot-smoking habits as easily as it can be towards what they eat or what they do for a living. Get it in your head, smoking pot is NOT that bad! Refuse what the gov't tells you! They control you enough already! Seek the truth for yourself! I did, and it feels good (being high that is).

lol

[Frost]

Personally speaking, I don't like stoner heads. Once in a while to relax and trip, sure, that's great. But I don't believe people should go out into the street and drive stoned -- though perhaps not as severe as alcohol, it does impair judgement in quite drastic way. It's like asking alcoholics to stay home and not drive when they drink... and you can see how well that works.

I also happen to think that, in some places, like here in Quebec/Canada (and many other places and countries I am sure), where all liquors are sold ONLY in goverment run chains, the legalization of Marijuana would only mean putting more money in the pockets of the government. A bad, or a good, ... up to you to decide. This would also mean that quality would be controlled, and the drug probably lessened/"watered-down", and made more profitable and "bite-sized" for consumption. This would mean that people would still grow their own "real shit!"... and I'm rambling on. Legalizing this would yield different results in different parts of the world with different life-styles and mentalities.

I can picture a street scene "Resident Evil"-style with braindead stoners roaming the streets... "nGRHLL... Pooooootttt! PPOOOOOOOOTTTTT!!!" heh. Whatever. I'll be dead in 30 years or so. Do as you wish. Until then, let's just keep hearing people say "Leaglize it!" instead of "legalize it!". =)

The End.

[ September 12, 2002: Message edited by: Frost ]

[gLitterbug]

I never even smoked a normal cigarette and nearly never drink any alcohol. But if some people need that stuff, let em take it. If somebody ruins his own life with drugs - his problem. And if he does something that is dangerous to others - punish him.
There are alot of people over here that drive after drinking alcohol regularly even, many of them are known to people as well the police. But most often nobody cares. Instead of punishing those people the police rather fines people that are a bit over the speed limit at the end of towns already, caus it�s easy cash for them. I wouldn�t mind people allowed to smoke weed if they are punished when doing dumb things while high.

[Awetopsy]

Tom Carter: Isnt it you who said "try to be civil about this and leave the mud slinging out."

What are you talking about, prejudice, Judgement?!? Im not passing any judgement, thats not my place. I merely said this thread is beating a dead horse and I shared one, just one, of my experiences with drugs and alcohol.

Im not saying nobody can do drugs.

I personally dont think Weed should be legalized... but if you wanna believe it should.. go ahead.

and BTW "leaglize", in the topic is spelled "legalize".

Edible Snowman: I dunno... our society is getting bad enough it might.... but your right.. at this point its not likely.

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[Gort]

Awetopsy - I hardly see where I stated an opinion on your view is mudslinging and uncivil. It is not. I interpreted your view as predjudiced. That doesn't mean that you're some kind of jerk or something. I simply stated that your view was predjudiced or interpreted as such. Now if I said something like people with prejudiced viewpoints are shortsighted idiots - which I do not have any impression that you are - then you can call that mudslinging. For the record, I do not beieve you're an idiot, so do not rally back that I am calling you one.

BTW - Yeah I mispelled "legalize" in haste; I actually suffer from a benign form of dsyslexia. BFD. Thanks for the call on that one.


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[apocalypse newt]

arrgh this thread is goin nowhere

and.. since its so readily available .. why do u need it to be legalised?

[Gort]

Frost

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Legalizing this would yield different results in different parts of the world with different life-styles and mentalities.

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It would? Could you provide me with some concrete evidence to substantiate your claim? Please explain...

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I don't believe people should go out into the street and drive stoned

I couldn't agree with you more. I am very opposed to driving under the influence of any kind. To do so is reckless and irresponsible.

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I can picture a street scene "Resident Evil"-style with braindead stoners roaming the streets... "nGRHLL... Pooooootttt! PPOOOOOOOOTTTTT!!!"

That's funny. Real funny. When I was in Holland I saw people my parent's age sitting in the cafe after Sunday service having a beer and a joint. Of course afterwards they ran the streets naked howling for more blood and brains. If cannabis were legal you'd see that there are more people that smoke, and they're not all a bunch of stoner kids living out of their parent's basement jacked up on weed and the PS2.