[raybender]

spent too much time on it to post it in the speedpaintign Thread

i need to practice to paint more loose.. i am always ending up too detailed with my personal work and then it takes too long too finsih and i am loosing interest and then i am rushing to an end.. lol.. i think you can see that..

how the hell can i practice to paint faster and more loose ? i always end up with too many details. any ideas ? rules ?

[udal]

First off, I think this is an excellent piece. While there is probably too much going on I still envy the amount of detail you've got in there. As it is I think you've got at least two paintings here - I guess the ship scene up top is the focus, but there is so much going on underneath with that cityscape (which is very cool btw) that I get confused as to what you actually want me to look at. I would either cut the bottom off the image altogether, or rework it so there is less stuff in focus, like those foreground elements, in the lower half. You could also lower the areas of high contrast around the image so that the ship doesn't have to fight for our attention so much. Still, very nice work, and if you want to force yourself to paint more loosely you could try using bigger brushes, avoiding layers and so on, or simply doing some mastercopies of 'loose' styles that you'd like to emulate.

[octavian]

very nice pic! I couldn't agree more with udal's crits too.

That image would break nicely into two paintings. you killed two birds with one stone
I would like to say that I am envious of your ability to render out such a complex scene. was there a lot of masking and such?

[watmough]

I pretty much agree with udal and octavian.....the top really feels like an interior, and the bottom an exterior.

Its still an interesting contrast, though...really nicely done piece.

[Petri.J]

First of all, I too envy the amount of detail in your paintings, but if you want to paint more loose, I may have some ideas for you to try out.
I've recently loose my own paintings by doing thumbnails, and that has really worked out for me. The only thing you have to keep in mind in those is that DO NOT ZOOM IN when you paint.
For example..
http://dawnkill.com/galleria/albums/userpics/10001/thumb_004.jpg
This is the original size for these thumbnails, you can of course paint in bigger size, but I would recommend zooming back that you would paint in this size.
Only after you have come to the point where you can't improve this small painting, you should zoom in, but when you zoom in, the thumbnail should be complete. So when you zoom in it should be the second iteration for the painting.

Cheers.
-pete

[raybender]

hey guys, thanks for the comments.. you are all right with the point that it could be two images.. in fact i started the painting with some intention of showing an "upperclass - underworld" relationship between the hangar and the city at the bottom.. the hangar was very bright and shiny and the city a bit dark and dirty... but somehow i changed my mind during painting and then something completely different came out.. but i guess i missed connecting both worlds..

octavian: i am using the lasso tool and lots of layers because this thing wasnt done with an inital thumbnail or fied idea in mind.. it developed over time so i had too make sure i can make a lot changes easily..

petri.j: thanks for the tip.. cptflush always tells me not too zoom in too much, but i am really bad at "being aware of what i am doing" while painting.. sometimes it�s like waking up from a dream and i am realising that i zoomed in too much.. maybe i should remove the hotkeys for zooming in the preferences.. hehe

your thumbnails are damn awesome by the way.. need to do some too, now

[TJ Wright]

There's nothing more that I can add to what the other guys have already covered but like watmough, I do still find it an interesting contrast between the two areas.

If what you've done was your initial goal and fits the story you've created while painting the piece, I wouldn't go too overboard with changing it.
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[Theo]

great job!

I have the exakt opposite problem. I get bored with my images and nearly never ever bother to add detail. That too is a shame!

As for learning how to be more rough, I'm with Petri here. Thumbnailing rocks. That way you'll early on know which part of the image is going to be the focal point, and won't end up spending a lot of time detailing like a mad monkey on other, less important parts.

On another note you have a strange tangent type problem going on with one of the beams coming down from your stairway on the right in the foreground. One of the beams, at first glance, continues straight into the image (it collides with what I think is supposed to be the background) and merges with it, thus flattening your layers and making less sense. Just wanted to let you know.

Awesome pic all in all!

[med]

Congrats on the DD

[raybender]

theo: hehe noticed that tangent too AFTER posting the image everywhere.. heheh.

med: thanks:) whats your name on DA ?