[AntisepticSkeptic]

[Tzan]

[umbus]

There's a danger with this conspiracy thinking if you are getting yourself involved too much, there is never only one side of a coin.
In the end the truth is hard to get to. Two persons can be at the same place but experience two different things.

Some time ago I debated in a conspiracy forum that "NWO" could maybe be a good thing? you never know. They didn't like to discuss it though, Somehow I cannot see any difference from how things are now. Ah shit what the hell am I talking about anyway?

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[Drunken Monkey]

What to do to stop them?

Spread awareness. Show these pricks a large number of people are opposed to them.

Another good thing is to quit being a trendy whores who ridicule and laugh at what official bank/defense contractor media has programmed public to believe is "conspiracy" when these assholes are openly talking about need of wars and terror in their books.

There is such a thing as going off the deep end, and a huge part of it is cointelpro - pollution of valid information. Usually with inane bullshit like UFO and green lizards from space and other such. Oh you didn't know our intel think tanks do this? Its done on purpose to keep people away from ever looking into any of it.

Umbus, yeah NWO is wonderful. Unification of whole world by a stick. Rulership by small elite of banking families. Abolishment of state (and constitution), right to own arms, free speech... A global fascist slavery regime. Do you really wanna give up your personal power and freedom to these people? I mean we got half the government dacing around a tree doing mock sacrifice every year at Bohimian Grove. You gonna point a finger at pleople like me and laugh and then go listen to one of these freak on TV regarding their policies?
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

[umbus]

I'm not pointing finger and laughing my man.
Just debating a little, how do you know that all info you get from the conspiracy is true? You know I have been where you are but you cannot take everything for granted with this, why do you choose to trust some politicians and some others you don't trust? Why only trust the info from different sources of conspiracy?
What kind of freedom do we have now? Are we really giving up anything?

I'm sure you have heard of Georgia Guidestones? I researched a lot of this and came to the conclusion that is fake, Rosencreutz ring a bell?

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[Drunken Monkey]

Umbus, gotcha.

I think none of us will ever get the whole picture. The window we have into the world of ruling elite is through books, transcripts, and speeches of their cronies. You can almost always see and link certain movements and agendas and their materialization later. This makes one better at spotting other agendas that are being implemented right now.

Don't trust anything, not Aaron Russo, Alex Jones, 911 Truthers... They all work with limited information, doing guesswork, armchair investigation. But they raise questions that media seems to aggressively suppress and ignore, that politicians cant answer without evasion. They are ridiculed, insulted... some intimidated into shutting up. Good question is Why?

The uncertainty and fog doesn't mean that this info shouldn't be looked at and investigated.

Yeah i heard of those stones... its some really odd spin-off from what eugenicists talk about. I am not sure what to think of it, i haven't traveled there myself. Maybe some cult, maybe some ritualistic mecca for some odd sect. I mean with these clowns dancing around an owl tree during their break from senate and congress... you'd never know if some stop by to pay their respects to the mighty guide stones or some other inane ritual.

The really sad thing is that we vote people into office that do this stuff. Sounds like i am off my meds? Wish i was.

Here, look at this asshole's reaction when confronted about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONBFAlZSM4
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

[AntisepticSkeptic]

[Drunken Monkey]

First of all yes i have posted proof. Watch the videos.

Second, i never said anyone can watch you in your toilet.

Yeah and you can change your tone from a giggling idiot to someone who uses the same habits you advocate to articulate your points.

[Drunken Monkey]

More for you to rationalize... no conspiracies here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXKYYSpjotw
Biden is a prophet eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LDBOPcHpeo
2:35 same thing

Why isnt there an investigation about this? Why are we so numb?
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

[Sumaleth]

[Drunken Monkey]

Problem is Suma that to people like you everyone who doesnt adhere to a "norm" is a crazy guy with a placard. You listen to your mainstream sources of information and consider everything else below your elite level of intelligence.

You remind me of a friend i have who recently had a kid. I told him during his wifes pregnancy that they should really look into whats gonna be in the vaccines they give that kid when he is born. In particular mercury is known to cause permanent autism in new borns and toddlers and its now being touted as good for new borns.

He though it was a conspiracy theory and laughed at me. His kid is autistic. You don't have to do anything, but it doesn't hurt to look into it.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

[Sumaleth]

[Drunken Monkey]

Good, because i was getting bored again.

[umbus]

haha you guys are funny

[Sumaleth]

[Tzan]

I think thats my favorite quote.

[Drunken Monkey]

[Tzan]

People in church ritually eat the body and blood of christ every week.
Congress starts with a priest reading words out of a bible.

I think those are pretty weird, but its accepted by just about everyone as being normal.

[umbus]

What about worshipping an ancient roman torture device? that's what the cross really is...

[Drunken Monkey]

I am not a Christian so i don't know what the eating flesh of Christ part is, i saw it on christian Sunday morning cartoons on post soviet Russian TV... that was the last time i saw it. I guess its symbolic of partaking of the spirit of christ/god? And they werent eating real flesh, but bread and wine, fed by Christ himself. Maybe i am wrong...

And the cross, correct me if i am wrong is not worship of the device itself, but of the sacrifice Christ supposedly made to save mankind.

How are these two things even remotely comparable to burning your own consciousness in sacrifice to death god when you occupy political posts that require you to have that quality in far more developed state than at a normal day to day job?
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

[Tzan]

[Drunken Monkey]

[Tzan]

You have a problem with that statement but its pretty much exactly in the wiki quote.
"and served as a catharsis for pent-up high spirits"

Look up the word: catharsis. (Not saying you dont already know)

I agree its crazy.

Back in the day they had bonfires for all sorts of reasons, not so much anymore. So they made this exclusive club that had a bonefire to kick things off and to make it all mysterious, like the Moose Lodge etc... they said dude its all < insert stupid idea here, like a sacrifice to an idol>, because thats what secret societies do, or at least thats what everyone thinks. That guy just made it up on the spot, there was no real thought put into it.

When you want members and also nonmembers to have a sense of belonging and awe, you do something bat shit insane and call it a secret. I'm not saying its right but thats what clubs do, especially back then.

You give something an undeserved air of importance when you create a ritual around it and tell everyone to keep it secret. It makes the members feel important, part of something bigger than themselves, even thought they might not be, in a real tangible way, its just a feeling they have, a good feeling.

Thats how all groups work also why I dont join groups. "we are special because we know something they dont" then the people on the outside start to wonder what those people are doing, whispering over there. The reality is frequently less interesting than the speculation.

They do it now because its a tradition for 100 years.

[Drunken Monkey]

Tzan,

Or maybe its not harmless. Maybe the people doing this ritual really do believe this shit. Maybe that mentality translates into their political moves and alliances. Your guess is as good as mine on that one particular topic.

But, that one topic coupled with obscessional geometry and symbology strung along their architecture, seals, even found in our currency... their political moves, corporate alliances, foreign intelligence alliances, weird off time hobbies, point to a different picture.

This is what i am talking about, you stop at one little detail because "there might be alternative explanation" when this giant puzzle is screaming you in the face. Crippled by scientific method when a leap of faith is required so to say. Faith in intuition more so than its religious connotation.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

[Sumaleth]

Re intuition:

The problem with intuition is that it just as easily gives you the wrong answer as the right one. You might as well toss a coin.

The very reason that the "scientific method" was developed was to stop scientists fooling themselves. People doing science are just regular people, and they have intuition just like everyone else, intuition in a scientist can be just as wrong, and an intuited answer in a scientist can be just as impossible to unseat as it is in any person. The scientific method, with it's "double-blink tests" and "peer reviewed" submission systems, and so on, is designed to take human intuition out of the process.

Intuition gives different results in different people. Intuition tells ~2 billion people that Christianity is the true religion, ~1.5 billion people that Islam is the true religion, and ~1 billion people that Hinduism is the true religion. Since they are mutually exclusive, we know that the majority of those ~4.5 billion people must be wrong.

Intuited belief is nearly impossible to reverse, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Think of all the people who stick steadfast to the belief that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

Science isn't some global conspiracy propagated by The Man, it's the minimum steps necessary needed to stop that old part of the human brain getting in the way of finding the actual, non-emotional truth.
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[Tzan]

I'm more worried about the stuff I already know they do believe in. During a republican debate more than half of the guys raised their hand to say that evolution is wrong. People are very happy to vote for a guy who thinks evolution is wrong. Thats the way things are here, crazy. So a different version of crazy, burninating stuff in front of an idol doesnt surprise me.

Not knowing if they really believe the BG stuff is the point. Just because we dont know doesnt make them guilty. If they dont want to talk about it doesnt make them guilty. Secrecy is part of the game, it makes them feel special, regardless of what they are really doing.



You asked in a previous post:
"Go rationalize bohemian grove."
So thats what I worked on, I cant work on everything
I have to get my regular work done and make the money.

[Drunken Monkey]

No i gotcha, just continuing the discussion, dont mean to side track it. I think secrecy should not be part of the game when it comes to polytics... which is why i am so fucking outraged over all of it. One or two oddball politicians is one thing, but when close to entire republican senate has at one time attended an occultic bonfire its a different story.

I can understand some secrecey when it comes to national security, but when it permiates every pore of the rotten carcas of what once was America I AM GONNA GET CRAZY.

Appreciate your thoughts though. Yeah both camps are full of easily manipulated plebes. They march behind whatever banner is trendy today regardless of the long term consequences or lessons of history.

Vietnam FAILED
Afganistan (USSR) Failed
Iraq V1 Failed
Afganistan V2 Failed
Iraq V2 Failed
But Iran is gonna be ok!

Defense contractors and banks behind them get rich.

Such is life on the dirt planet.

p.s.
This is a casual chat, full of chills and thrills, don't let it interfere with your work. I am not.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

[umbus]

Regarding Science, I cannot really trust it anymore cause when they discover a new way or a new approach the old one wasn't correct. To me that's the same as a lie. When I discovered that the Hubble telescope was making a composite of pictures I started to think, what is it we are really looking at? Like a painted picture snapped together with a lot of info that has the meaning that the person putting it together made of it?

There's more that I question but if you add to it here it's gonna take forever to write it down.
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[Drunken Monkey]

Yeah, science is great where exact properties can be worked with directly. What exact properties are you going to find when you are working with a human variable? With a secreteve, conniving, lying, selfish even sociopathic human variable?

Anyways, Drunken monkey gotta go now, he will be waiting in the walls between the threads.

later \o
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud