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elam · Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:19 pm

Anybody else see this?

Excellent movie.
I'm a huge Phillip k. Dick fan, but after AI, not a Speilberg one.

But this, IMO, is what sci-fi should be about.

Not the orgy of special effects and shallow story that was ATC.

Dick is like Loomis, though. None of his books are in print. I use to have to go to the Archives at Michigan State to read his books.

I find this strange considering his influence on so many people, filmakers in particular(Total Recall, Blade Runner, MP.....).

vigilo · member Member # Joined: 26 May 2002 Posts: 105

Glad to hear its a good movie... after AI i didn't expect much from Spielberg, but i'm looking forward to seeing this one.

Vesuvius · Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2002 4:26 pm

there are a lot of phillip K dick books in print. I have like 6 or 7 of his from vintage books, which is part of random house. also I have a great anthology of his short stories called the phillip k dick reader and that was published by the carol publishing group. I bought all of my copies of his stuff as new, withing the last 10 years, so it's definitley available.

some of his writing is incredible, and the mind-twists in his stories are great, but he (in real life) was a paranoid, possibly schizophrenic person who also was very proud, and it shows in a big way in his writing (as he often uses it to address schizophrenia in both negative and positive ways, as giving super powers / being evolved, or as being a sign of inhumanity).

I recommend P.K.D., I haven't seen the minority report however, and I have a feeling that it won't live up to the book (as the trailers show that they've messed up the plot a lot already), as well as because I have no faith in tom cruise. but I might see it.. if people say it's good enough.

James Bradford · Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2002 1:10 am

I saw it! It was a really good movie, very well rounded over all. And am I the only person who likes AI? I thought the movie was great! Those weren't aliens in the end!

Gort · Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:23 am

From what I understand from reviews and inteelrviews (haven't read MR or seen the film - yet), Spielberg uses the the precog / Anderton concept from the original story but dresses it in his own visual interpretation of the future - not Dick's (Spielberg was consulted by futurists for potential likelihoods).

Regardless the film seems to be garnishing favorable reviews, and I am looking forward to seeing it myself.

Odd about the book - I recall seeing it at the local Barnes and Noble a year ago; it was the standard paperback (with some other stories) and was about $7. Now the movie comes out and all they have available is this big inflated version with an inflated price ($17). Ah...marketing at work.

Effigy · Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2002 5:30 am

The story in Minority report seems orignal,
it does remind me of the last part of 'Unbreakable', wher Bruce, at the end can predict murders...

..maybe not

ruler protractor pen penc · Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2002 5:49 pm

quote:
Originally posted by elam:
I'm a huge Phillip k. Dick fan, but after AI, not a Speilberg one.
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AI was not a Speilberg film, it was Stanley Kubrick's, passed to steven after his death...i liked the movie but it didn't have a Kubrick or speilberg feel to it...

i liked minority report, i was interested,loved the scene where the camera pans room to room as the spiders check everyone's IDs. but it wasn't any masterpiece. and some parts of the story came out total bullsh*t.

i hated the ending.

but i thought A.I. was incredible...made me think more, about future, Alife, humans, "God", the f*ck are we doing here, etc, etc, etc

burn0ut · Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:44 pm

i just saw it, good movie, i liked alot of scenes in it aswell.. and the nosie filter was kinda cool..

those cars attaching to there homes n shit... cool stuff anyways..

Coaster · Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:59 pm

I saw a preview of it and what really bugs me is how they can't seem to be able to find him, even when he walks through the stores and is able to interact with the technology, I mean don't you think they would at least alert the police when a fugitive uses one of those services?

AI wasn't good. I don't have much hope for this one.

ruler protractor pen penc · Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 7:53 am

Coaster: they Do track him because of that and....go see the movie

one thing that really bugs me about the movie is...

huge spoiler alert...!

one thing that bugs me aboyut the movie is, how would Tom Cruise have killed that man if it wasn't of his knowledge of the Precog's vision of the future? i mean, there was no connections between them(Cruise and the one he Supposed to murder) and the only reason he got to the hotel at that exact time IS because of the Precogs. so in that case, the Precogs have predicted the vision AFTER it was shown to the police, and not before. so if that the case, then their vision of the other murders also needs to be after the precog's vision...right?what?

[ June 25, 2002: Message edited by: ruler ]

Coaster · Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 9:41 am

Yeah, okay but why did they still let him use the stuff?

ruler protractor pen penc · Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 10:09 am

what stuff? he changes his

(SPOILER)

"Eye"dentification... is this what you're talking about?

two reasons they couldn't track him down are:

he changed his ID

and he had the Precog girl with him(she can tell the future)

ruler protractor pen penc · Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 3:30 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Beowulfthefallen:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Beowulfthefallen:
[qb]That's what's supposed to get the gears in your head turning. It's what the movie wanted to accomplish..

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right...that's why i said that it's bugging me...

"Maybe Agatha saw that Cruise would take her with him. She didn't want him to do what she predicted he would do."

why would she predict such thing? if she hadntt had that vision, cruise wouldn't have taken her with him...the vision IS the cause of all the things that happened.... !the vision IS affected by the Precrime's knowledge of her prediction.! that's not right. it says so in the movie aswell. understand what i'm saying?

Coaster · Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 3:49 pm

Oh well, I'll see it then make a list of impossibilities...

Frost · Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 4:54 pm

I really liked the flick. It didn't disapoint. Some of the 'techy stuff' made me laugh out loud at the lameness of it all.

Beowulfthefallen · member Member # Joined: 06 Jan 2002 Posts: 147

quote:
Originally posted by ruler:
Coaster: they Do track him because of that and....go see the movie

one thing that really bugs me about the movie is...

huge spoiler alert...!

one thing that bugs me aboyut the movie is, how would Tom Cruise have killed that man if it wasn't of his knowledge of the Precog's vision of the future? i mean, there was no connections between them(Cruise and the one he Supposed to murder) and the only reason he got to the hotel at that exact time IS because of the Precogs. so in that case, the Precogs have predicted the vision AFTER it was shown to the police, and not before. so if that the case, then their vision of the other murders also needs to be after the precog's vision...right?what?

[ June 25, 2002: Message edited by: ruler ]

That's what's supposed to get the gears in your head turning. It's what the movie wanted to accomplish. Maybe Agatha saw that Cruise would take her with him. Like when she tried so many times to get him to go anywhere but to Leo Crow's apartment. She didn't him to do what she predicted he would do.

Beowulfthefallen · member Member # Joined: 06 Jan 2002 Posts: 147

quote:
Originally posted by Beowulfthefallen:
That's what's supposed to get the gears in your head turning. It's what the movie wanted to accomplish. Maybe Agatha saw that Cruise would take her with him. Like when she tried so many times to get him to go anywhere but to Leo Crow's apartment. She didn't want him to do what she predicted he would do.

Sumaleth · Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2002 12:20 am

*spoilers*

Another hugely disappointing Spielberg film, although still entertaining.

Plot holes and inconsistancies BY THE BUCKET LOAD.

The last 90 minutes of story is built around a series of storytelling cliches. It even ends on the biggest cliche of them all - the gun goes off between two people, but who was shot?

The first 60 minutes had lots of fresh ideas and some fantastic sequences - the last 90 minutes is almost entirely indoors and there's nothing fresh any more.

Most of the characters were overly stereotyped. Don't even mention the doctor to me, please...

The last 60 minutes is entirely comprised of people re-iterating the plot, just in case you didn't get it. I think they re-told the plot 4 times in that hour, finishing with a Cruise voice-over just in case you were still in the dark. Good lord...

Considering this was the combined efforts of Dick, Spielberg and screenwriter Scott Frank I could not have been more disappointed by the woeful screenplay.

But it looked amazing. And it was at least better than AI.

Ai · Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:56 am

I don't know about you people, but I really liked that movie... the most wonderful thing that happened is that I haven't seen any previews or any kinds of info about it BEFORE I seen it (besides a short trailer that showed some special effects and the voice saying "Everybody Runs")I really had no idea what the movie would be all about except that it was a sci-fi flick and it looked cool... that made it all the better.

Anyway I really liked the movie, and the good parts more than made up for the bad stuff, they basically went for the good stuff being more noticable... so it would overwhelm the things that were "not so good".

I'm not a movie critic and neither am I a person that reads sci-fi books by dozens (I used to, but not anymore) Why? Because I learned that it really spoils your experience when you see a new movie or read a new book, you think you've already seen this somewhere and its not as fresh or as good, and its not surprising, which is really sad. I like it cuz its entertaining and I think that its a DARN good movie.

XandGash · Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:32 pm

I liked it. Did anyone else hate Hineman? She had to have given one of the most badly delivered series of lines I have ever heard. I could've been more believable, and I'm a 20 year old Black man. Her and guy that was wih the "haloed" people really bothered me. Other than that, it was entertaining.

DrunkenMoNk · Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2002 10:25 pm

Well, I'm new here so uhmmm... HI! LOL!

***Warning... Beware of Spoilers they may spontaneously appear without warning... End of Warning***

Anyway... *sigh*... I went in hearing all the ridiculously positive reviews and had my expectations increased rather artificially.

I left feeling rather mixed. The cinematography was beautiful, I simply loved it... The two shot with Anderton and Agatha was amazing. The future depicted on screen was equally impressive, the targeted advertising and the loss of privacy struck me as both realistic and shocking.

Anyway, I just felt that the final 20-30 minutes simply went against the mood of the picture. It ended rather cliched, with everything wrapped up all too nicely.

It left out thoughts of alternate endings or meanings in favor of an ending set in stone, less ambiguous and less thought provoking as a whole in comparison to Spielbergs previous picture.

To me the scene Spielberg removed from the end of the movie during Anderton's monologue is very telling. Right where the movie ends Anderton is supposed to continue with "The following year, there were 161 murders in the District of Columbia.". This to me shows a Spielberg who maybe too conscious of his audience post AI. That quote forces the audience to think about what's more important, it leaves questions to be asked rather then having them all answered for you.

Bouncy Ninja · Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 4:30 am

i thoght it was going to be crap.... but it was pretty good... i liked it alot etc. etc.

Xysryc · member Member # Joined: 01 Feb 2002 Posts: 92

Oh, I am really looking forward to seeing this movie. The plot concept and idea is great.

Unfortunately it is not out in Germany yet.

Gogo, Steven Spielberg!

the_monkey · Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2002 11:58 pm

i liked ai more.

i think it would have been a great movie, if tom cruise would have commited the murder and then gone to jail. proving the system unfaliable.

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Jezebel · Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2002 1:48 am

Hmm... I enjoyed it. I'm not kicking myself and wishing I got my matinee fees back. Overall I have to say that I liked it. But I wouldn't pay to see it again and I probably won't buy the DVD (unless it has nifty concept art and goodies on it ^_^).

Suma - I despise those cliche scenes with the two people and a gun. Gaaaaah. Hmmm... lemme think about who is going to get the bullet. *strains her brain for a moment*

Dr. Bang · Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2002 6:46 pm

omg, Mr. Deeds beaten Minority Report. I lose my faith in humanity.

ruler protractor pen penc · Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2002 11:19 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Bang:
omg, Mr. Deeds beaten Minority Report. I lose my faith in humanity.

it's a sad joke, i agree.

anyway, back to minority report,

so did anyone figure out why the Precog girl was in john's vision? or has the movie faded out already?

Sumaleth · Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2002 11:29 pm

**spoilers**

That's the one plot point I couldn't find any theory to explain. The pre-cogs see the un-tampered-with future, yet they see John killing that guy in what we find out is the tamper-with future. ie. that future ONLY happens because they get a vision of it. If they hadn't got the vision there's no way the events would have played out in a way that could bring them to the same point.

Doesn't make sense.

ruler protractor pen penc · Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 12:24 am

it would be very sad if this is infact some sort of a plot hole. specially for a director like Steven...did he finished this movie in what, less than a year? he'll learn why Kubrick took so long to make his movies.

but i won't think of that just now...

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Steven Stahlberg · Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 3:50 am

Critisizing is fine but to add some perspective to all this bashing I DO want to remind you that it's not easy to

1. write a good screenplay. An estimated 35,000 scripts are written and submitted to the Writer's Guild in North America every year, and out of those only about 5 - 15 are purchased each year, with the intent to make a movie out of them.

2. make a good movie. Why do you think 99.999% of all movies ever made are not great? Because it's one of the damn hardest things to do on this planet. Shit, it's easier to climb Mount Everest - quicker, cheaper, and you need less people to do it. I bet a lot of people on this board figure if they could only be in on the production meetings and somehow make the director listen, they would do a better job of any movie. (I used to think that way myself.)
Sure, that's easy to say NOW - AFTER you've seen the finished movie. But try that trick before it's done.

Whatever. Just my couple cents.