[Joe84]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IATPoHdpak0
Youtube Clip of it all

Im not sure what to say, except perhaps that isnt this a violation of our human rights of freedom of speech? he was merely asking a question
american democracy is almost becoming similar to a fascist state IMO. not entirely in nature but in the way citizens are allowed to have their rights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs
Clinton Curtis - he testifies that he was asked to hack into the election voting programs to intentionally tamper with the number of votes

[Sumaleth]

The taser was probably a bit much, but in an odd way it was probably the logical conclusion to the sequence of events you see there.

You start off with a Q&A with John Kerry.

Instead of asking a question, this fellow turns into crazy soapbox guy. He just keeps talking, doesn't even want to hear an answer.

Security is always going to remove someone like that.

Then he turns into crazy resisting arrest guy. Security can't at this point say "you know what, he doesn't want to go so let's let him stay", so he is going.

Now there's a lot of security at this point, but they're mostly getting in each other's way. Crazy guy falls back to the audience and finds something to hold.

If you'd taken a poll of the security people at this point you'd probably have seen a split decision. Some would have thought it best to ease off a moment, and make a considered move unwedge the guy.

But for the rest, and especially those being tossed around with the guy, it was all one continuous thing. They'd have been taught to remove trouble makers as quickly as possible, and this guy was now being a danger to them and to the audience, so one of them threatens the taser.

Crazy guy could have said "ok, ok, hey it was worth a try...", but instead continues the wrestling.

(of course, it could be that the other security on top of him were doing things, like the old knee in the back and whatnot, that made it impossible for him to stop wrestling)

Tasered.

That's my read anyway. A natural sequence of events that you could just about have guessed from the opening seconds.

That doesn't mean the taser wasn't overkill -- it definitely was -- but I don't know that it would have been possible to know for everyone involved. And I definitely don't see it as proof of fascism or anything like that.

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Didnt watch the voting one, but if there's one thing you can guarantee, it's that there are always people, on all sides, looking for ways to rig a vote every time a vote is held.

You've just got to make it as hard as possible, and prosecute heavily when people are caught.
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Sorry but theres got be other ways to deal with crazy soapbox guys

[Affected]

Here I thought tasers were defensive weapons, not compliance-enforcement devices.

[Tzan]

I saw it the same way Sumaleth does.
I have CNN on all day long while I work and saw it multiple times.
There is now talk that the crazy guy set the whole thing up on purpose.

When the generals were talking to congress recently crazy soap box people interupted on several occassions. They were each grabbed and removed. One fat lady resisted a little but was dragged out. If someone disrupts a meeting they need to be removed, if they resist, well whatever happens then is their own fault.

That college kid interupted other peoples free speech meeting and had to be removed.

[Ranath]

if 6 security people can't get even a resisting college dude out of a room without taser, those security guys are not up for the job. Usually security people like to have like 4 against one and just pick the guy up basically and carry away. But either these guys just wanted to use taser on a guy because they can, or then they really had no idea about how to deal with resisting people and had to resort to tasering a guy to chest while having 3 guys sitting on top of him. Pathetic.

[Drew]

It's not a freedom of speech issue. Whoever owns that building can allow or not allow whoever they please to speak inside it. That guy was asked to hurry up and deliver his question, instead he asked three before they cut off his microphone. He was being escorted outside and he resisted. He continued to resist when they had more security escorting him. Apparently, they couldn't even get him out of the door because he was resisting. What are they going to do, just sit on him all day?

In the past, before tasers, they would have still used pain in order to force him to do what they wanted. But instead of grinding elbows and knees into his back, and twisting joints around risking damage, he got tasered.

The real story here? Asshole resists security and gets tasered. Not really exciting. Happens at bars around the world every night, except instead of tasers they use fists.

[Joe84]

but its also an issue that he was kicked out because of the type of question he was asking. I mean is that how America deals with people who ask controversial questions? they just get kicked out?

he pointed out some pretty good points about the votes being tampered with that need to be addressed.

[Drew]

[Joe84]

did u even watch the whole movie on youtube? he was polite to john kerry, the only reason he started to get aggressive was because the police tried to pull him off the microphone. Defending his right to ask a question, i guess he became more aggresive to trying to present his question.

[Sampster]

I see things the way Sumaleth did too... and I actually watched 3 different camera angles on youtube.

I don't know how his introduction or question to Kerry was polite at all... to be honest I thought he was just a heckler at first not even asking a question.

Consider the actual facts of what happened... he didn't get tased for asking the question. The police moved towards him because of the way he asked the question.
If he had asked his question calmly (and politely) he wouldn't have been pulled out.

Then they backed off and he wouldn't shut up so they moved towards him again.

After the police started pulling him out he started screaming and resisting the officers... despite what he was shouting I'm pretty sure they weren't arresting him at first just pulling him out.

Heck, even if he had just calmed down at this point he could have heard Kerry answer his question on the way out.

But no, he had to keep struggling attempting to rip away form the officers and continuing to scream. He continued to resist even after he was on the ground, and an officer gave him a clear warning 'if you continue to resist we will tase you'.

So he decides to keep struggling and screaming. brilliant.

Honestly no permanent harm was done, he just experienced physical pain. And unless you've tried to drag a madly struggling person to where you want them to go, I don't think you can rag on the police officers. You have to be tased to be able to carry a taser... it's not like they didn't know what they were doing.



My thought, if he asked his question calmly he wouldn't have even been asked to leave. But he got the security guards worried by acting like a supreme douchebag. Then he confirmed their fears after they cut his mike and he still wouldn't shut up sit down or leave.

Maybe a taser was a bit much but he had it coming.
and yet college students still treat police officers like $#!@ because they associate them with the government or resent them because officers bust them for smoking pot and drinking.

Sorry to unload here... I had a big disagreement with my roomate about this...

[Matthew]

despite the serious discussion in here this is too funny to pass on, here you go:

[ youtube ]Xzkd_m4ivmc[ /youtube ]

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[Matthew]

ahh fuck not possible to embedd movies?

here's the link then.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc

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[The Insane Lemur]

hahaha

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eNLQY3bQyaM

[Tzan]

Haha I love that bit.
It worked real nice at the end.

[Capt. Fred]

After he starts making a huge fuss the situation quickly gets out of hand, and that leads to security shaming themselves, I don't think that is a big story.

But the more interesting part is before things get out of hand, when he is talking with justified passion, and without warning his microphone is switched off and he gets approached by security and seized.

I think the subject of this 'crazy soap box diatribe' is one of the most important issues in the world today (broken western political systems). His energy and anger is appropriate to the scale of problem.

On the other hand, if he had been able to better control his emotions the situation would have been more interesting, and productive.

I don't agree his was taserd for his dissent. But, I did seem as though the events that lead up to the struggle were politically motivated.

[Drunken Monkey]

I saw this video also and as much as i like to jump on the anti-authoritative band wagon this dude was asking for it. He was there to provoke and get attention.


HOWEVER, i wish this kind of event would remain in local news while stuff like THIS needs national attention.

The interesting part about it is that after cops got there - they huddled together with security guards and decided to arrest the worrying mom - who was demanding the security guard to be arested. Thats after they refused to let her see her seriously injured daughter for half an hour.

Then after they found out that the camera man had footage of the whole thing they slapped charges on him too.

Its the kind of scumfuckery that you'd expect from out of control powertripping mouth foaming crooked "law inforcement". Trying to hide your wrongdoing by bullying with obsurd charges.

And after not so recent gun debate we had here where turst in government was advocated by so many. Do you want to put your trust into this kind of police force? I know the security guard was the main culprit but the cops went along with him in this case so they are just as guilty.

Watch the video... look at that obese retard slamming a girl 1/4 his size to the table and braking her hand. With racial slurs at that.

Thats the kind of "finest" we have going into police academies. Yeah, trust them to protect you.

Oh and the mom was fired after this without school district looking into anything before they gave her a pink slip.
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