[g.owen]

See realistic and highly symbolic art. This is a work of sequential art about the Devil tempting Yeshua in a desert, and then on top of the temple mount.

You will enter in Part I, "Bread in the Desert". At the botton of that page, there is a link to Part II, "Stone of the Temple".

http://home.windstream.net/themessiah
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[neff]

are these photo-overpaints?
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[g.owen]

[Freebooter]

Jesus beats the crawling girl-Satan with a stick and then she turns out to be a chick with dick and pisses on their barbeque? This actually proves that religious texts can be read anyway you like.

[g.owen]

What a funny interpretation of events. But I disagree with your conclusion.

The pictures are symbolic. Satan a woman = scriptures say he comes as an angel of light, to steal, kill, and destroy. Satan crawling = the curse placed on the once angelic being, in Genesis. Jesus hitting devil with staff = represents the authority of God and that God will honor His covenants with humanity and not discard them as Satan suggested. Pissing on the altar and extinguishing the fires that burned there = well, that is symbolic of many things, some of which may offend.

I let the scriptures and pictures preach, rather than me. If you don't get it, or just don't care to get it, then hopefully you can just enjoy the art. Some like it. Some don't. I respect all opinions, even those that criticize. In fact, I like the critical posts best....because I learn from them.

Thanks for your time and observations Freebooter. Don't you just hate it when a fallen angel urinates on your BBQ?
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[Capt. Fred]

I think what you've done here is great! The realism of the characters adds to the drama so much. It draws you in so much more than the usual 'cartoon people' do. Immersive, great work.

Also, the fantasy-style magic effects make a great combo with robes and ancient desert stuff.

It looks like you use photos to draw from. That's fine, people just like to know what they are looking at, that's all.

Crit-wise, I would suggest that representing superiority by hitting someone in the face with a pole is not a great message for people that are seeking moral guidance.

[Ranath]

[gLitterbug]

Yeah, everyone knows sticks are for poking and not for whacking.

[g.owen]

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; For You are with me; Your rod and your staff they comfort me." (Psalms 23:4)

Why is it a comfort? Because I am protected from evil - or the Evil One.
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[RyanWalsh]

I dont click on links... unless its porno links...

[g.owen]

[Freebooter]

RyanWalsh, now that's spam if there is any.

G.owen> I hope your not offended but for me it's difficult to take that religious art seriously if it's already made ridiculous by the author. I don't know if you're really a religious man, but you seem like one and that's why it strikes me as odd that you put in those silly Whack-effects and piss.

If religious art is presented with bad taste and humour it will be treated as such.

[g.owen]

Offended. No. I want people to speak their mind.

Two different people can experience the same thing, yet reach two entirely different conclusions. One can say that it is �great�. Another can say that it is �with bad taste and humor�. Why is that? It depends on the person�s mind....what is on the inside of a person. What we say reveals what is inside of us. Unfortunately, many do not recognize this and so refuse to see the reflection that is revealed in their words and actions. This does not mean that one should be silent if they have an unfavorable view of the work. If they censor their thoughts, they lie to themselves and the world.

Truth be told, we all caste a bad reflection. This is why we need the Savior. I also caste a bad reflection...and when I show good, it is not me but the Christ in me.

The �whack�. The �pee�. These are symbolisms. People usually use words to explain their interpretations of the scriptures. I use pictures....symbols. It is art.
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[Capt. Fred]

Your symbols are being criticised.

[madme]

Hi...

nice work!

But to reply about the question of overpainting... the link you posted doesn't prove that those drawing were not overpainted!
and I'm having a hard time beleiving that they are not ....

for me i dont care about overpainting as long as poeple dont try to fool anyone with it ...

Ciao! merry christmass everyone!
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[g.owen]

What you suggest I am doing does not really make sense. Why would I spend so much time drawing something with a pencil, and then just overpaint a photo?

Others have suspected the same thing at this other art forum. So, at that other art forum I uploaded some pictures that presented my process. Ther� does not s�em to be a way to do that at this forum. Anyway, this is why I tơok a photo of my folder of pencil drawings and present it at my blogspot. The process that I explain at the blogspot is ind�ed the art method. If it wasn't, I would tell you.

I will answer any techical questions you have abou the process. If you know photoshop, you understand about painting in layers. You should know about multiply layers, ađd layers, and about dodge and burn. If you do not know about these things, you will never understand the process. The process is not really a secret. It has b�en around a long time. You can easily find tutorials for fr�e on the internet.

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!!!
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[g.owen]

[Jimmyjimjim]

To post pics in sijun, simply enclose the url to the image location with these two tags (example): [IMG]http://www.your url here.com[/IMG]

Simple as that.

I have no problem with the subject matter. You believe what you believe and that's fine as long as you aren't hurting anyone or insulting anyone else's beliefs.

As for the art, I am suspicious that you are applying filters to photographs. I looked at the stuff in your blog, and the quality of the drawing is inconsisent. Either you are tracing directly over photographs, or you are running a "find edges" filter over a photo and multiplying it over another photo with a different filter. For example, I made a (very quick) sample to show my recreated technique:


As for the painting, the compositing of elements is also very inconsistent. You have incredibly detailed characters that have poorly done shadows over obvious photographs. To be fair however, you did describe using photographs in you blog. On top of that, the "magical" elements of the strip don't seem to fit anything else, and are also of varying quality.

Regarding the figures, I think you are (at the very least) using either a traced drawing or the afformentioned "find edges" technique over a filter pass. The texture you've acheived looks far too realistic to not involve photo textures. It's OK to do that, just don't try to pass it off as all paint; People can tell. Again, here is my recreation:


If you really did paint these, my apologies. If that is the case, you have an extraordinary ability to mimic real-life textures and proportion At the very least, you got a solid crit out of me.

::EDIT:: I just looked at the clock, Merry Christmas!

[g.owen]

Wrong. But you have successfully approximated the method that I most often use for backgrounds. But you are wrong about the method as it pertains to the characters. They are indeed pencil drawn, scanned into a computer, and colored/painted in a photoshop type program. Most people familiar with photoshop suspect that I do what you suggest. But that is not the case.

You can see the method at another forum. There, I am responding to another artist that suggests the same things that you suggest (but you were kinder and more technical). Anyway, I responded to what he said by uploading some pictures and details about the method. See the method here: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83572

If you don't believe me, that�s OK. I am not really concerned about that. I do feel that I need to respond to such suspicions though. You can also go to www.temptthemessiah.blogspot.com and see an actual photo I took of me and my folder of pencil drawings.

For real life textures - there are texture nibs in my art program. For proportion - its all about reference. Also, you can achieve these things with a pencil remarkably well - consider the "Ghost Riders in the Sky" pencil drawing at this forum - http://forums.sijun.com/viewtopic.php?t=40886. He could scan that into a computer, set it to mulitply, and color/paint it. If he had a photo that he used for reference, he could look at that while he paints and end up with art that is much better than mine.
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[Jimmyjimjim]

Hmmm...

Well, I looked at your step-by-step, and you're right, I think I owe an apology. It DOES look like you are filtering stuff alot, but you acknowledged that.

I think you're getting the suspicions because your figures have such distinct outlines over fine gradations that it looks just like a find edges filter pass. Back off on your outlines a bit, and I think it will help alot.

Hope you're having a good holiday,
-JJJ-

[g.owen]

[DJINN]

G.owen....

My opinion is that you are very talented....i've seen your pencil drawings....

I'm here to see art, and that's exactly what you did.....no matter what you draw....

you've got my respects.....
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[g.owen]

Can somebody tell me how jimmyjimjim posted those images here. I am still not getting this. You have me permission to talk to me like I am a complete dummy on this subject....because I am!!!!

I am guessing that I need an off-site place to store images, and then somehow link to that. If so, what are some places, and how do I accomplish this???
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[Tinusch]

You already have them online... Click the "Img" button below the subject line to start the image tag, then enter in the URL of the image you want displayed, then click Img again to close the tag. Alternatively you can type it in, but it should look like this either way:

[img]http://home.windstream.net/themessiah/index.html_files/image002.jpg[/img]

[g.owen]

I understand now. Thanks

Here is a picture from part 2 - A NEW VERSION OF IT. I am thinking about changing my font. Some have said that my text does not match well with the art. Also, some have said that the word balloons are distracting. Any thoughts?

http://home.windstream.net/themessiah
http://home.windstream.net/themessiah/Part2.html
www.temptthemessiah.blogspot.com - see pencil work and method overview


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[octavian]

If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and acts like a duck... then it is a duck.

I can't help but notice that people at CA.org, on you're blog, and here, all seem to think you're manipulating photos in some way. Personally I feel like you're somehow being dishonest. I can accept that you "drew" those drawings, but buddy, you have to admit you've utilized photos to get the end result. It certainly looks like you've traced photographs to achieve your pencil work. and then referenced the photographs for achieving your values. If not, prove me wrong and post the photographs... or am I to believe you did it all from imagination?

I find it offensive that you would insinuate artistic talent and actually have the balls to argue with people who have some, if not a great deal of passion and respect for the craft and it's history.

[Jabo]

Word.

[Mikko K]

The pencils are based on photos anyway, since the characters have a lot of distortion that's caused by the lens.. It's very obvious. The changes in eye levels and foreshortening reveal this. Sorry.

[g.owen]