Sijun Forums :: View topic - Emoto: Messages from water; What do you guys think?

edraket · Posted: Mon May 13, 2002 11:51 pm

Hey,

I had read about this in several art-magazines over the past month. So I thought I'd look it up to learn a bit more about it.

Article on Emoto's research

I'm curious what you guys think about this.

Maybe anyone can come up with some more info on the actual process of taking these pictures?
I think it pretty interesting.

balistic · Posted: Tue May 14, 2002 7:48 am

Sound is a resonant vibration. The only "message" conveyed is that vibration affects crystal formation.

edraket · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 12:07 am

Well yes...
So you don't think it is striking to see how certain sounds result in certain shapes?

I think it is pretty interesting that certain words result in such obvious shapes. I would think that the sound of a voice is is the sound of a voice no matter what word it is saying.

You should check the bottom link. That has some more pictures.

Hunago · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 2:50 am

pretty, I like the NZ Mt.Cook one.

The photos of the typed letters posted on them doesn't make sense... Is there some other logical explanation?

hmm, and the before/after prayer is puzzling too.

balistic · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 7:38 am

"I would think that the sound of a voice is is the sound of a voice no matter what word it is saying."

Actually, there is a tremendous amount of variation in the human voice from syllable to syllable. You could download a spectrograph program to see for yourself. "Love" is an entirely different sound from "hate." The former, when spoken, is soft and low, while the latter has a hard, sustained "A" sound followed by a sharp "T". The two words hit mostly different frequency ranges.

Giant Hamster · member Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1782

"The photos of the typed letters posted on them doesn't make sense... Is there some other logical explanation?"

I'm pretty sure it has to do with:

1. The vibrations of the thought going into it. Every thought has an effect...you know the, 'if you think it's gonna happen; it's gonna happen' kinda thing. Negative thoughts create chaotic noise as seen in the "I'm going to kill you" crystal.

2. Crystals are living things...they have stuff in them that is alive...maybe it can read =)

balistic · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 2:49 pm

"Crystals are living things...they have stuff in them that is alive..."

You're being sarcastic . . . right? A crystal is a form taken by a compound when it solidifies. From the dictionary:

"A homogenous solid formed by a repeating, three-dimensional pattern of atoms, ions, or molecules and having fixed distances between constituent parts."

The general shape of the crystal is determined by the arrangement of atoms in a molucule of that compoud. NaCl (table salt) and iron pyrite (fool's gold) take cubic shapes, wheras H2O forms hexagonal ones. Silica looks like sand in its solid, crystaline form, and glass when it becomes a liquid (glass isn't technically solid).

When you funk up the crystalizing process, via vibrations, or magnetism, or mixture with other substances, the resultant crystal will look distorted, but it will always exhibit the basic shape of the molucules its made of.

Coaster · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 3:02 pm

"...and glass when it becomes a liquid (glass isn't technically solid)."

Yes! Finally someone on this planet who wouldn't call me crazy for saying that!

Novacaptain · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 3:20 pm

coaster...It happens to me all the time too.
"Windows on very old houses are thicker at the bottom than at the top" I usually tell the non-believers and they just shrug and say "whatever, you're still nuts".

balistic · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 3:35 pm

I was too general in defining glass as a true liquid.

Actually, glass is technically an amorphous solid, which is different from what we usually think of as "solidity", but its also not really a liquid either. It does flow, but not fast enough to account for the sag seen in old window panes. The panes were probably mounted that way.

Glass also has a viscosity, the same way liquids do, but it is very high, so most people would hesitate to class it as a true liquid.

Its definitely not crystalline though . . . it has very little internal structure past the molecular level.

Novacaptain · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 3:48 pm

I always thought of glass as a very high viscosity liquid. The window panes i refer to are on houses over 100 years old and it's not very noticable either. But since you say so with such certainty i'll take your word for it.

*education @nline*

balistic · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 3:53 pm

The techniques for making windows back then practically guaranteed that they wouldn't turn out the same thickness on all sides. The most stable way to mount something that's lop-sided is to put the heavy side down, so . . .
http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/glass.flow/amorphous_solid_more.html

There's some more info, plus links at the bottom.

Novacaptain · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 4:09 pm

Thanks!

about the water crystals...I can see how the sound could affect their formations but the stickers with word written on them i'm not so sure about. Very nice images none the less.

edraket · Posted: Wed May 15, 2002 11:59 pm

quote:
Actually, there is a tremendous amount of variation in the human voice from syllable to syllable.

and...

When you funk up the crystalizing process, via vibrations, or magnetism, or mixture with other substances, the resultant crystal will look distorted, but it will always exhibit the basic shape of the molucules its made of.

Yeah..all true. That still doesn't explain to me why for instance all the negative words all result in shapes that are alike (and as a shape very fitting).

How do explain that?

Or are you just going for the good old "I can't explain this so therefore it is not true" theory?

balistic · Posted: Thu May 16, 2002 7:40 am

"Or are you just going for the good old "I can't explain this so therefore it is not true" theory?

No, I prefer the "please do an actual controlled experiment with results verified by others and submitted for peer review" theory

The explanation could simply be that the results are manipulated, or selected very carefully from a big heap of unsatisfactory results.

If somebody is going to tell me that water understands the english language, I'm afraid I'm going to need at least some degree of actual experimentative data before I even consider it.

edraket · Posted: Fri May 17, 2002 12:02 am

I know

Thats why I was asking if anyone had more information on the whole process.

In what I have read they do say the experiments were repeated by other scientists all over the world. And I am guessing his book would cast some light on all that. But I wouldn't know how to get that here in holland. And even then..thats just his own book.

It's just hard to wade through all the shit information on sites like holistic-healing.com and the likes.

I do have the feeling sometimes that the scientific world tries to ignore anything that doesn't fit in their general expectations of the world.
The nature of science makes it so of course.

Anyways.. I thought this was really interesting and I was hoping that anyone could find some argumentation on it. But apparently not. I certainly haven't been able to find anything other than a basic description and some pictures.

Nilwort · member Member # Joined: 26 Jan 2002 Posts: 319

whoa, those crystal pictures are cool...

Dr.Squirley · Posted: Sat May 25, 2002 9:05 pm

quote:
Originally posted by balistic:
Sound is a resonant vibration. The only "message" conveyed is that vibration affects crystal formation.

DickCheese · Posted: Sat May 25, 2002 10:10 pm

depending on the solidity of my feces, the water in the basin of my toilet makes for nice music.