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ax--hv
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:57 am     Reply with quote
...of the ocean, what did you think blood thirsty? Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:25 pm     Reply with quote
completely fantastic! .. well, i think the figure should be left out, personally. it sorta removes the serenity to the scene. the water is stunning. keep it up!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:20 am     Reply with quote
I think that you have come a long way down. I think that every work that I've seen from you is better than this. If you want me to do critics, ask for it because it's a long list Razz
I'm sorry for me being so honoust and straight forward. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:42 am     Reply with quote
Odds, thanks man!

Petri.J, sure please explain! I couldn't be more confused... opinions are simply opposite, no pattern at all Confused One guy even said that the figure is the best part Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:31 am     Reply with quote
Since you asked me about edges earlier ax--hv I thought I could try out with an overpaint too, I hope you do not mind.

First of all I think with the edges in your piece is that there is attention all over the piece making the eye roll all over the place, however, many interesting parts is in there but with them put together it becomes a bit difficult to read. Some other things to think of too but I will stick to the edges, hope it shows in the overpaint.

as an anecdote, I remember many years ago when I was sailing with my older sister and her husband. It was a sunny day but all of a sudden there was dark clouds in the horizon and the bad weather did hit us in a split of a second, it was crazy and it was like in your pic with a dark stream close to the horizon but above nice and sunny and then came darkness and it was raining cats and dogs, hehe had to hide indoors of the boat.



maybe a cup of tea would be nice right about now
see you and keep it up ax--hv
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:13 am     Reply with quote
couldnt disagree more with Petrij here.....
i think this is a fine painting,ax--hv,the only thing that stands out to me is the saturation...abit too much to read quite right...also the blues were too magenta-shifted.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:44 am     Reply with quote
the figure seems too smooth for the rest of the piece. There also appears to be more detail on the water, etc. than on the figure, and even on into the background. There are more shades given to the sand as well, and only a few on the character. Given that the figure is more to the foreground this seems to bring the background into focus rather than the figure which just doesn't seem like it belongs. I think if the figure were more refined, and in the rougher style of the piece, it would work.

Right now in my view everything from the dark part of the clouds down in the background is fantastic. But the upper clouds and the figure just seem too rounded, too plain, they are just not developed to the level of the rest of the piece.


The picturesque qualities are good. A fine moment.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:08 am     Reply with quote
Matthew and Watmough, thank you very much guys!

Overpaint looks great Matthew, I like how smooth it is
Watmough obviously an eyeopener to me, looks much better!

I'll try to get rid of my maximalistic bents Smile

Tttia, thank you for the comment! I guess the figure looks different because it's done in different technique. Looks quite realistic to me in some way
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:54 am     Reply with quote
Looks good Alexey,

One thing comes to mind. The figure seems to be lit with a spot from behind, so that the edges get quite dark. Maybe some indirect bounce light there (light bouncing from the sand etc.) could help. And maybe stress the situation that the light is coming from the sky, so that the up-facing planes of shoulders and hair should catch some more light when compared to the back of the character. Anyways, you know these things better than me, so I might just shut up Wink

btw. Are you back in school now?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:14 am     Reply with quote
Thanks Mikko!

I see what you mean, tricky question Smile The more I tried to light something perfectly, the more artifical it looked. So I decided to limit myself on the lightness of non-direct sources and it helped! I guess I overrated the volume of reflected light before. And it's possible that now I underestimate it - your remark sounds reasonable to me Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:11 am     Reply with quote
Don't sweat Petri. Just look at his body of work and his comments are instantly discredited.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:41 am     Reply with quote
I really like the glow of the sand, but the figure and clouds don't measure up... The cloudsfeel like they need to be rendered more with an eye for the larger shapes, and less for detail somehow. And the figure does look like it's lit by a camera's flash, for example. The lighter colours seem too dull compared to the darker skin tones.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:21 am     Reply with quote
Hi ax--hv,

First of all I like the image and the majority of your work a lot.

Then the comments, other than what has already been said about the saturation and the larger shape of the clouds what stould out for me when I first saw the image was that the figure looked huge for some reason.
Also, the figure hardly casts a shadow which makes him float a little.
Other than that, great work.

I also like Matthews overpaint by the way.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:32 am     Reply with quote
wow
it's very cool and i like the feelings in it
i only wonder hwo we see a storm on the clouds with no effect on the figure(his hair or cloths aren't moving at all)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:30 pm     Reply with quote
kimchi wrote:
Don't sweat Petri. Just look at his body of work and his comments are instantly discredited.


This kind of comment gets me really fired up. I am burning inside right now with anger. What, just because I'm not as good as you means I can't ever open my mouth? Is that it? I'm not allowed to have an opinion? Just because I'm not as good at implementing things means I'm not allowed to talk about things I know about art? What am I allowed to do then? Should I not even be here, huh? Is this place reserved for only people that you happen to think are good enough? God, what ever happened to a community where people help other people out and don't just dismiss entire people just because they are not as good at art. It's called, if you disagree with the comments made, you disagree with the comments made. The comments do not dissappear from the face of the earth just because the person making them is not as good at art as you. You can argue that the comments are wrong, but saying that they are wrong just because of who they came from is absurd and ignorant; comments exist independant of a commenter: fact. I'm still angry, but I shall cease because I have made and supported my point.

Anyway, since I have went out of my way to make a post in this thread, I suppose I shall make it on topic. Smile (if, of course, I am not going to get strung up by my fingernails for uttering a word...)

I do like the desaturated version better. Also, the figure looks a little static. The right foot is bothering me a bit--I think if you forshortened it some more and turned it so that it was facing the direction he is walking, it would help. I just covered the bit that sticks out with my thumb, and I think it looks better. I know some people walk like that, but I really think that foot is contributing to the static feeling I am getting from the figure. My seccond area of comment would be in the focal point. What is it supposed to be? Right now, it seems like the figure and the clouds are competing. If you just look at the lower half of the pic, it's a guy walking down a beach, but those clouds are just so expressing and different and bright that they draw the eye upwards. I'm not sure what you're going for, so I'll just leave it at that. I really like the water; it's my fav part. I might get rid of the boat because that also kind of draws the eye. Hmm, I kind of like the bottom half and top half seperately, the bottom cut just above the guy's head and the top cut around his waist area. Lol, try it--gives an entirely diff feel to the piece.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:47 am     Reply with quote
Thanks for comments guys!

NewEra, I know only one way to add movement to jpeg - drugs :)
..but you are right movement is hard for me.

Actually I'm still eagerly waiting for Petri to explain his opinion. It would really help to find weak points.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:32 am     Reply with quote
its awesome but shouldnt he have some edge lighting on his head/shoulder area fom the break in the clouds?
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