[zleog]

What ya think?

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-JG

[zleog]

I totally agree. I have seen it twice and I loved it. As far as comic movies go, it is the best of its kind. The movie limitted the amount of explaining and narrating that usually exists to explain the history to the newbies. I liked that. It stuck to the original ideas of the comic pretty well, with a few exceptions. I liked how you needed some sort of previous knowledge. For example, with Cyclops's visor, you had to know that without it he can't open his eyes without shooting everything he sees. If they attempted to explain every detail like that, it would have sucked.

I also enjoyed the camios made by the smaller X-Men. Jubilee was in the mansion. I think that was supposed to be Psylocke that walked through the door. Iceman needs to do a lot of growing, he was aweful young. And was that a young Nightcrawler passing the basketball to himself?

Very entertaining. Visuals are worth it anyway.

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-JG

[SaltyDog]

Um...I enjoyed the movie to an extent, but this post was to actually comment who Zleog thought was in the mansion. I'm not sure about Jubilee (I don't remember seeing bright lights) But I'm positive that wasn't Psylocke. For starters, Psy is oriental (or part at least) and her powers don't include intangibility. As for Nightcrawler the kid wasn't blue and didn't have a tail and funky feet and hands...maybe those developed later but I doubt it. I DO agree on Iceman being Hella young though....my biggest miff was...where is Beast, Angel, etc...part of the original X-Men!? They should be there..
I also would've like to have see Collosus (sp) Dress Dolph Lungren up in some Metal and bring back the Russian Accent from Rocky!!

[zleog]

SaltyDog, my friends and I had that same conversation about Colossus. I'm SURE that was Jubilee. They purposefully made her wear yellow in two different scenes (in Professor X's office and in Wolverine's doorway). They had he wearing large earings. They had her wearing sunglasses on top of her head. My friend who is a pretty avid comic collector insisted that Psylocke could do that, and they had freedoms with race. Jubilee was made Asian in the movie. I agree with you about Nightcrawler. I'm curious to learn the history of Nightcrawler. Maybe he started out as a normal dorky kid.

I agree about Beast and Angel (cause they should be as old as everyone else at least), but if your gonna ask where characters are you gotta ask about GAMBIT! And I also wanted to see them do Juggernaut, but that would be difficult (his hand is like the size of a car).

Question to all: There was a character making a small ball of fire in his hand during class. Any idea who that could be? (God help me if anyone says Human Torch)

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[Shousetsu]

they really messed up the story. They had "Ice Boy" but Iceman was one of the original team members, along with beast and archangel(angel). When I was little I watched the x-men cartoon, Mystique was Rouges mother and Night Crawlers mother, they messed that up. Sabretooth is Wolverines dad, in the movie they never heard of eachother.

Even if it was unaccurate it was still an ok movie. The highlight of the movie was when storm fought Toad(who the hell is that anyways?) that was pretty cool.

[Chapel]

I liked it alot. I think they did a great job in introducing the characters to the regular movie fans and keeping it somewhat traditional to the comics. Its not extremely exact but its the best comic to film translation I've seen.

[Chapel]

Just to let you guys know. The girl who went through the door was Kitty Pride. Bobby is Iceman. He was also the youngest X-Man when the group was formed, so it sorta makes sense that he would be in school. The fire starter was called Johnny. The only Johnny I know who starts fires is Johnny Storm the Human Torch from FF4. As far as Jubilee I never noticed. As far as Dolph playing Colossus that would have been cool 10 years ago. Not now though.

Now a little X-history for ya:
Psylocke is a telepath like Jean Grey. She doesn't pass through walls except for "astral projection". You know.. outer body experience.
Nightcrawler is supposedly the son of Mystique. His origin has changed since he was created I think. Mystique abandoned him when he was a baby and he was raised by either monks or gypsys. (Either case he has always been blue). Eventually he joined the circus. He was being chased by an angry mob when Xavier found him.
Sabertooth is not Wolverine's dad and that is a fact. He was in the CIA with Wolverine along with another character named Maverick.
Also, in the comics Mystique takes Rogue in when she first discovers her powers. She is not Rogue's real mother.

Oh and about Beast, Angel, Colossus, and Nightcrawler not being in the movie. It would have been a budgeting nightmare with makeup, prosthetics, and CGI. Thats the very reason there isn't a FF4 movie.

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[psi burn]

shousetsu, learn your fact straight before you make comments like that. the x-men cartoon was completely off, and never followed the comics, or storylines.

like chapel said, sabretooth, wolverine, and maverick were in a covert agency together. i have the comic that has Wolverine talking to that kid (cannonball is his name?) about it.

rogue, as far as we know, has no name besides that. the comics never revealed it to us. and in the comics, she killed her boyfriend, she didnt just put him into a coma.

[Chapel]

Actually I remember in a comic way back they made mention of her name being Marie. I'm pretty sure it was back in the day when she was fooling around with Longshot. As far as her killing her boyfriend the story changes everytime a new writer starts on X-men, because I've heard both sides. I'm pretty sure they adapted the coma story for younger fans. Hero can't be a killer right? As for the cartoon.. it was neat to watch, but it didn't follow the comics. Anyone remember the pilot cartoon? It had Colossus, Nightcrawler, and Kitty Pride in it. Was much better then the one they aired on Fox. My favorite X-man-ish cartoon is still the episode they were on Spiderman and Friends.

By the way in case you were wondering. I wanted to be a comic book artist, because I thought the X-men were great. So, I've read almost every issue up to 2 years ago.

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[Shousetsu]

I know the cartoon wasnt going to be 100% accurate thats why I mentioned I saw it in the cartoon to avoid any confusion. I have a really old set of Ultra Fleer '94 X-Men cards, and it infact was mentioned that SabreTooth is Woverines dad, it had a summary in the "Wolverines Greatest Battle" part of the card set(where he fights SabreTooth in the Motlock tunnels), Sabretooth said he was his father, but wolverine then found out he was lying much later, nevertheless it was mentioned.

and the original Iceman was a man, not a boy(even if he was younger), so how they made Iceman a student doesnt make any sense. The cards I have say his name was "Robert "Bobby" Drake" and in the "orginal team" section it does say he's the youngest member of the founding team but he isnt that young.

[psi burn]

her name Marie wasnt a birthright name

the fleer cards were mistaken

and yea, iceman was a (young) man in the original x-men. he was probably 19-20. he was also in the x-men before wolverine.

and unlike how they portray wolverine in the movie, in the comic he is probably the most loyal x-man. he DOES have that independent, arrogant manner to him, but he would die for his team.

[lotor]

Psi Burn Your right about Wolverine dieing for his team. I just wish that he would have killed those thugs at the bar in the beginning but ya it was made for kids. We know those guys would have been toast.

Chapel You the man. Are you talking about the episode of Spiderman when the X-men help them fight the Juggernaut?

That was the coolest episode ever!!! Man that was the best show ever.

[psi burn]

lotor, no way, the guys who drew spiderman cartoon could NOT draw the x-men! and the color palette used for the spidey cartoon was WAY off, the x-men's costumes looked extremely contrasted and neon-ish :P

[Chapel]

Yeah Lotor that is one of the episodes. There were actually 2. The Juggernaugt episode is when Firestar and Iceman were being recruited. There was another episode that had Colossus, Storm, and Nightcrawler. Nightcrawler was kinda posessed I think. I just remember Storm shooting lightning through Colossus and him saying "That tickles."

Oh and guys.. get rid of the damn Fleer cards and read the comic. Your basing all of your info off of cartoons and cards? Did you forget this was a comicbook?

Also, just to clarify when Wolverine joined the X-Men it was in issue 94. Colossus, Nighcrawler, Thunderbird, Banshee, Wolverine, and Storm were introduced together. Don't know who Thunderbird is? Thats cause he died in that issue. His little bro was in New Mutants though.


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[psi burn]

i liked thunderbird
my all time top favorite mutants are...
(not in any order)

leech
blink
bishop
iceman


and my favorite mutant villains are

onslaught
apocalypse
shadow king

[SaltyDog]

Okay..couple of issues to hit on. I was under the assumption that Rogue was snatched up by Mystique when her powers manifested and actually was a bit of a criminal for awhile. It was during this time she had a confrontation with Marvel girl and absorbed her powers completely (invulnerability and flying capabilities) BUT..along with absorbing the powers she also absorbed Marvel Girl's consciousness and that provided for internal conflict in Rogue from time to time as Marvel Girl would manifest herself in Rogue's pysche. They kind of left this out, unless (since Mystique is still alive) she gets a hold of Rogue later.
As for Thunderbird, he was a Native American character with superhuman strength and speed. I remember a comic showing him running with the buffalo...I believe he was part of X-force for a bit and ended up playing the hero and dying in a mid-air plane explosion. *Could be wrong, but I think that's how it went*
In dealing with IceMan's age...they never said how long the students had been at the school. Theoretically he could've been around 17 (although the actor looked younger)
Remember folks, when he encased himself in ice he didn't look his age..hehehe. I'd be willing to give them artistic license for a couple of years on that one.
I think the REAL dilemma however presenting the producers of the movie was this. The comic has changed so many times, and characters have backtracked and rearranged their pasts that there is no real definitive storyline including ALL the characters at once. Rarely did all the characters get recruited at once (except for the Wolvie, Storm, Banshee, etc. meeting)
Each character came from a unique and sordid background (many times actually from evil places...Storm from the Morlocks, Gambit from the Cajun Guild, Rogue from Mystique...and even Archangel got his metal wings from Apocalypse) SO...to try and make a cohesive storyline and bring in enough heavyhitters to appease both the comic and non-comic reading masses in a time span of 1 hr. and 45 minutes I think they made a valiant attempt. End of Story.

[Chapel]

Just to help you clear things up. The original Thunderbird died playing hero on the airplane. (Not his little brother John Proudstar I think his name was.. who joined the New Mutants and wore the same uniform to honor his brother.) Storm did not come from the Morlocks.. she defeated the leader in a duel and one leadership of the Morlocks. The main difference between Rogue in the movie and Rogue in the comics is that Mystique never takes her in and that she always had the white streak. (The movie makes sense how she got the streak cause white spots in the hair are usually caused by a traumatic experiences) I doubt she will get the Marvel Girl powers in the movies just cause they would have to introduce another character outside of the team. {SPOILER} Course a smart writer would say that Magneto's project caused more mutant powers to occur for her. As far as the whole Iceman issue.. just be glad he was there. That means he might be in the sequel (assuming they make one). I think he may have been a year or two younger in the movie, but I'm not complaining. I think the movie did a wonderful job bringing X-Men to the movie audience. Its pretty hard to cram over 20 years of comics into 2 hours.

By the way.. X-Force is the New Mutants.

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[psi burn]

chapel, they gave her the white streak in the movie, because they told the audience that she can absorb aspects of another mutant, thus erik (magneto's) hair color...heh

the morlock Storm defeated was Calisto.

no, marvel girl never manifested in rogue's mind, even temporarily. it only happened for a brief time after she absorbed m-girl's powers.

[SaltyDog]

Sorry kid, but Marvel girl did show up at certain times. Like I said, it was used to create an internal conflict in Rogue's character (much like Wolvie not remembering his checkered past) Marvel Girl didn't die from the experience but was left in a coma from the encounter, and as I said before her consciousness was transfered to Rogue.

[lotor]

Watch out Psi Burn or Salty will come over to your house tonight in his Marvel Girl Underoos and beat you up.

And use his mutant ability to use his hands and feet as weapons with the occasional headbutt thrown in.

haha I'm picturing it now. haha

[psi burn]

lol?

[Transcendence]

I stopped being a comic book junky right before the whole onslaught thing started. What exactly is the story behind that? I just remember picking up the issue introducing him and was like 'damn he's cool looking..' and left it at that.


Anyone have Carnage's comic? It's called Mind Bomb [just curious]

[Chapel]

psi: I guess your saying she just happens to absorb physical traits 10 minutes after she absorbs their power? I guess her screaming in pain had nothing to do with it either.

Storm defeated Callisto. (notice the spelling) I'm assuming you were saying that for everyone else.

As for Marvel Girl and Rogue.. Saltydog is right. The storyline took place while the X-Men were hiding in the desert. This was before they were all "reborn". I believe Mark Silvestri actually drew those issues. [Check around issues 240 - 250]


doh.. I made a mistake earlier. Rogue didn't fool around with Longshot. It was Dazzler who did.

The X-Men cartoon pilot I was talking about was called "Pryde of the X-Men". It was about Shadowcat (Kitty Pride) joining the X-Men. I can't find any screenshots of it though. Was very cool animation at the time.

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[psi burn]

funny i stopped reading after onslaught

onslaught = xavier
they finally killed him by getting all the super-power people (not the x-men), like the ff4, etc, basically all the marvel superheroes, and they all sacrificed themselves. that somehow killed him. i forget it all the details. oh well.

[Transcendence]

no shit? that's screwed up. My favorite x charrie [that i remember, atleast] is X-cutioner. That guy kicked ass. Archangel, Exodus, and a couple from the Age of Apocalyspe were fancied too.


I had the first couple sets of Marvel Masterpeice...have the first put away in my room somewhere for sentamental values. heh

[psi burn]

x-treme was another favorite of mine. marvel went a little extreme themselves by giving him the power to boil peoples blood.. erm.. not very pleasant but he was cool

[zleog]

So who was the kid on the beach (Tommy). Rumors are that he is Mr. Sinister, but friends tell me his name was Nate Esecks (sp?)

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