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Capt. Fred member
Member # Joined: 21 Dec 2002 Posts: 1425 Location: South England
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:13 am |
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made these a while ago. was reminded of them by an interesting book called 'vision and art: the biology of seeing'
Within my family, some people get these easy and some can't, but my eyes seem to find it easier to mismatch the images and see depth than to see correctly and see two flat images.
I find it fasinating. It is as easy to do with a camera as in bryce.
some of the ones with different materials I made to check if i was right;I wanted to see if the appearance of something being reflective had a lot to do with the discrepancy between what is seen by each eye.
The idea is to overlay the two images with your eyes to perceive depth in the 'fusion'.
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Gort member
Member # Joined: 09 Oct 2001 Posts: 1545 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:06 am |
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What the hell is your problem? It's Sunday, and I'm tryin' to relax.
No seriously - interesting concept. Some were very obvious to me while a couple took effort. _________________ - Tom Carter
"You can't stop the waves but you can learn to surf" - Jack Kornfield |
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sweetums member
Member # Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 236
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:54 am |
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I Love these!
They came through quite easily for me, but I'm running a 19" Diamondtron Flat screen monitor. The blue ones, #3 and #5 were the best for me, but the gold ring in #2 was the best for getting your eyes to shift focus, relax, and then refocus to get the effect to work.
Really well done! Post more here when you can, they'll be appreciated and easy to find and enjoy. Congratulations on a great effect. _________________ Life is short. Expect nothing, enjoy everything.
That which does not kill you should make you wiser... |
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Odds member
Member # Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 374
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:14 am |
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So what exactly are you supposed to do? I can see depth in all of the pictures.. but it seemed to easy. haha |
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Max member
Member # Joined: 12 Aug 2002 Posts: 3210 Location: MIND
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:27 am |
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wow, that's cool. I could get all of them quite easily though. Only the gold ring took me abit longer.
Odds: just overlay both by focusing in the middle of both and,..ahm,.. "unsharpen". Than you should see three while the centered has depth. Ahm, okay, can't really explain this with my english. |
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Capt. Fred member
Member # Joined: 21 Dec 2002 Posts: 1425 Location: South England
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 12:55 pm |
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Some bright spark needs to incorporate steropsis into a GUI/monitor, good bye eye strain, and hello to helpful visual cues. given that the only depth cue in current GUI's is occlusion.
Imagine a desktop as far away as the horizon and and the active widow close like a book. the challenge would be to get the eyes to diverge instead of converge - otherwise, far from removing eye-strain, everyone would end up crosseyed! |
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Naeem member
Member # Joined: 13 Oct 2004 Posts: 1222 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:44 pm |
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i got them all pretty fast except the first one. took some effort. haha. was going crazy for it.
really like them. very nice1 |
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[Shizo] member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 3938
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:23 pm |
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I can never see these things. I cross my eyes and see 3 pictures, but my vision is so blurry that i can't see depth or any detail at all. |
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Naeem member
Member # Joined: 13 Oct 2004 Posts: 1222 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:36 pm |
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u were supposed to cross ur eyes? or were u just supposed to... look |
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Max member
Member # Joined: 12 Aug 2002 Posts: 3210 Location: MIND
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:04 pm |
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does that work with moving images too. motion picture?
hey, we could make our own imax. can't be good for the eyes though
edit: if you get the first one just stay with the way you look at it and scrool down. since the images have same proportions you don't have to refocus on each. pretty nice |
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Drunken Monkey member
Member # Joined: 08 Feb 2000 Posts: 1016 Location: mothership
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:00 pm |
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Haha thats cool. Easy to do on all of them...
Yes cross your eyes untill the images merge in both, you will see 3 images - look at the middle one and adjust the focus untill its sharp. Move your head around... there is an illusion of depth. Fun stuff. I think i am cross-eyed now. _________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud |
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oDD member
Member # Joined: 07 May 2002 Posts: 1000 Location: Wroclaw Poland
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:39 am |
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i think i'm retarded. i can't figure it out. Am i supossed to bring the head close to the monitor ? somethings starts to happen but still i see no depth just blured pictures comming closer and closer to the center but they do not meet. Will try harder
edit: i look at the number #4 i see 4 stones in the air two middle ones are moving toward the center but they stop too quick and never meet :/ _________________ portfolio | art blog |
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Max member
Member # Joined: 12 Aug 2002 Posts: 3210 Location: MIND
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:49 am |
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oDD: no, the image gets sharper when you move away form the monitor. About 50cm should be perfect! At least for me.
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i look at the number #4 i see 4 stones in the air two middle ones are moving toward the center but they stop too quick and never meet :/ |
You're on the right way. Just look in the center of these four images. After some seconds they should meet. Maybe it takes longer... |
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Giant Hamster member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1782
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:15 pm |
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Doesn't work for me cause I only have one eye. :cry:
Ohwell, will find some amusements elsewhere. |
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[Shizo] member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 3938
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:16 pm |
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LOL!
Don't despair, Hamster. If you just unfocus your eye, you'll see the same thing that i'm seeing |
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Drunken Monkey member
Member # Joined: 08 Feb 2000 Posts: 1016 Location: mothership
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:55 am |
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Giant Hamster wrote: |
Doesn't work for me cause I only have one eye.
Ohwell, will find some amusements elsewhere. |
<obligatory mastrubation joke />
you dont really have one eye? do you? _________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud |
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Giant Hamster member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1782
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:34 am |
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well, I physically have two eyes...
but if I close my right eye all I see out of my left eye are a few blurry spots and the inside of my right eyelid. |
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jfrancis member
Member # Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 443 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 9:58 am |
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I have a 1952 ViewMaster camera that takes pictures like that.
You shoot Kodachrome slides, punch them out with a special film die cutter, and mount them into empty ViewMaster reels.
It's a lot of fun.
More details here...
http://www.digitalartform.com/archives/2005/06/make_your_own_v.html
Last edited by jfrancis on Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:30 am; edited 1 time in total |
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seth1 member
Member # Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 534
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 11:50 am |
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Wow, i just a massive headache, then my eyes stayed cross after for a couple secounds |
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Andromeda member
Member # Joined: 18 Jan 2000 Posts: 708 Location: Lower Ward, Sigil
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:27 am |
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i see them ! i SEE THEM !! I'm one of you now !!!
*hears chanting* "One of us, One of us, One of us ..."
.. i was having trouble at first ... then i took off my specs...and i can see them ! |
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Max member
Member # Joined: 12 Aug 2002 Posts: 3210 Location: MIND
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:42 am |
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We could make this the "OSQE-Test" Offical Sijun Qualifying Examination.
Welcome Andromeda |
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Andromeda member
Member # Joined: 18 Jan 2000 Posts: 708 Location: Lower Ward, Sigil
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 5:22 am |
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LOL ! ... but what if they lied about being able to see .. |
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Capt. Fred member
Member # Joined: 21 Dec 2002 Posts: 1425 Location: South England
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 1:51 am |
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jfrancis, awesome! |
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Max member
Member # Joined: 12 Aug 2002 Posts: 3210 Location: MIND
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 5:10 am |
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Then they are unqualified fake wannabe members : ) |
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watmough member
Member # Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 779 Location: Rockland, ME
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:43 am |
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phew!!!!
i was afraid i wouldnt be able to see 'em!
that is amazingly cool,jfrancis. |
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YVerloc member
Member # Joined: 07 Jun 2002 Posts: 84 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 10:29 pm |
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Jfrancis, cool!
I have one too. The film winder is broke now, and I haven't gotten around to getting it fixed. Have you taken many photos with it? Do you have the 'punch', or do you gut the frames out by hand to mount them in the reels?
YV |
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spooge demon member
Member # Joined: 15 Nov 1999 Posts: 1475 Location: Haiku, HI, USA
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 11:27 pm |
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i can't see it |
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seth1 member
Member # Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 534
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 12:23 am |
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spooge demon wrote: |
i can't see it |
LOL, I agree with that... |
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jfrancis member
Member # Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 443 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 9:32 am |
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YVerlock: I have the regular punch, which is based on the original top/bottom doubhle decker arrangement of the images onto the film, and the Mark II (European) punch, which uses the diagonal layout. I bought the Mark II punch on eBay by accident before I realized it was only compatible with a Mark II camera.
spooge: you have to relax and let your eyes diverge so that you see double. When each eye sees a pair of images, try to make the right image from your left eye overlap the left image from your right eye. When you have it, you'll see three images in a row. Concentrate on the one in the middle.
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Hold your hand up with your fingers in a two finger peace sign "V-shape".
Look at the peace sign. See how the stuff on the other side of the room doubles up?
Now look at the stuff across the room. See how the peace sign doubles up?
While looking at the stuff across the room, try to shift your awareness to your fingers while keeping them in double vision. The "V" of your fingers will be a "W"
That's the essential skill you have to have while looking at the image pairs. |
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Capt. Fred member
Member # Joined: 21 Dec 2002 Posts: 1425 Location: South England
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 12:51 pm |
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I was gonna explain but I saw you posted and I couldn't explain it better, francis.
you can also try with your computer keyboard.
get close to it and focus long-distance. Then try to bring two different (adjacent) keys into convergence as one. Apart from the letter on the key being a combination of two letters, the keyboard also feels like it's a bigger scale. Presumably something to do with the way what-your-eyes-are-doing is being used by the brain to understand the visuals it's getting from the eyes - 'if my eyes are this diverged, the thing must be x centimetres away, yet if it is this large in relation to my field of view its absolute size must be A', thusly one perceives the keyboard to be of greater scale, even though it takes up the same amount of your field of vision. I discovered this in a particularly boring IT lesson, when I fell asleep in front of a computer, and woke up staring at an enormous keyboard. |
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