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Bjornar
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 10:46 am     Reply with quote
This is something I'm eventually going to turn into a 3D scene. So I made this concept first. I've also added a couple sketches showing the work-progress.



Crits are welcome Smile


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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 10:41 pm     Reply with quote
Crits comming up! in a language that most people don't know! Very Happy

for jeg er norsk! yay, osv. Uansett, liker nesten scketchen din bedre enn den ferdige versjonen, av to enkle grunner, en: i sketchen ser det ut som at han ser noe til h�yre side (h�yre for oss), det ville v�rt en mye mer logisk kampstilling, neste er bare pirk: sverdet er tiln�rmet rett, slik som en ninja-to ville v�rt, om dette er en katana, som jeg anntar ( Wink ) s� kanskjed en burde ha litt mer svai, i og med at et katana er et "kurvet langsverd" okay, det er vel alts� som sl�r meg f�rst. la meg fortsette med � si at det er en helt fantastisk cg! om du orker �jobbe litt mer p� den s� ta ogs� et litte blikk p� den barken, det virker litt kjip i forhold til resten av tegningen, og sverdet litt matt. okay det var mine 50 �re, lykke til!
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Bjornar
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 2:18 am     Reply with quote
Thanks for the critique Deadbeat. I'll just reply in English, since I don't want to exclude most of the people, hope you don't mind. I speak too much Norwegian anyway, so I want to practice my English Smile

You mentioned that you liked the sketch better since he was looking more to the right, I agree and changed that. I also agree with you that the sword should be more curved since it is a katana and not a ninja-to and that it needed a more metallic look to it. I fixed that, as you can see. I should have done more research, since I don't know too much about samurais. I still have to fix the bark of the trees, which is another thing you pointed out. I'll post an update asap.

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:01 am     Reply with quote
I feel as though there could be some more mist or maybe 'atmosphrere'. Not sure what to call it but it feels a bit clean to me... Either way it rocks! looks sweet!
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 8:24 am     Reply with quote
It looks good =)
I think I've seen katanas like that, maybe I'm wrong?
The background feels a bit empty. You could either fill it with some mist (it's snowign anyway) or with a more developed background.
The blade would look more metalic if we could see some more reflections. If you look at a simple water pipe in your kitchen or bathroom you'll see the whole room reflected =)
Also, I think some subtle shadow in the snow would help.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 12:58 pm     Reply with quote
Ragnarok wrote:
It looks good =)
I think I've seen katanas like that, maybe I'm wrong?
The background feels a bit empty. You could either fill it with some mist (it's snowign anyway) or with a more developed background.
The blade would look more metalic if we could see some more reflections. If you look at a simple water pipe in your kitchen or bathroom you'll see the whole room reflected =)
Also, I think some subtle shadow in the snow would help.


*warning: boring history and tons of typoos caused by the general lazyness the world experiences today* Wink

nope youre sort of wrong, theyre kalled ninjatos as i was explaining to Bjornar. Theyre the preferred sword of the ninja, because of its straight edge was much better suitet to make "silent kills", witht hat i mean stabbing wounds to lung or heart, the curved katana was the samurais favorite sword as they were on horse a lot and the curve made it less risky to strike in speed at horseback, also the katana was considered a downright symbol of samurai. So much that once wearing the swords was made illegal japan experienced a samurai riot, which was brought down eventually by the modern weapons of the west.

more: The katana is usually a part of two swords that together made "the samurai swords" as we know them, the two swords was katana (long, curved sword) and the wakisashi, a curved short sword that were mostly used as a last line of defence or to take ones life in the seremony called sepukku, or hara-kiri (hara-kiri litteraly means something like bellyslithing and is consideret vulgare). The katana was also often used alone, as Bjornar is portraying, as a two had sword. But could also be used onehandedly. The lage strait towhandsword, which would be somewhat longer than the sword in questing would be a No-dachi sword, which was used byt eh no-dachi samurai, a sort of suesidal samurai group that would charge into battle wearing little or none armor and attempt to break havoc on the lines of the rival clan or othervise enemy.

-end of story- Wink

liked that you listened to me Bjoernar, that have never happened before Wink
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:12 pm     Reply with quote
Ookay, let's discuss a bit more =)
Look at this, that looks pretty much like the katana bjornar painted and looks pretty straight.
Also a couple of corrections, it's wakizashi (and it was used also as a offense weapon) and hara-kiri doesn't exist as a japanese word. It's just a bad pronunciation of the seppuku word kanjis.

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 11:13 pm     Reply with quote
Love the pic. I agree the background leaves alot to be desired.

About the sword, even katanas aren't supposed to be too curved. His looks quite fine. Very Happy And the reason the sword was curved was because it cut better. The ninjas though were too poor (since they were farmers) to shape their steel, thus the straight edged ninja sword was made. It had nothing to do with silent kills. They were just poor.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:17 pm     Reply with quote
Haha, there were different schools of sword making, along with different types of curved-back single blade Japanese swords. They all had their own curvature, depending more on the swordmaker than the samurai.

The more important thing is that his hands are switched. His right hand should be next to the handguard, not his left, unless he somehow switched hands after he unsheathed his sword.

I like the mood and the coloring, though.

Edit: Oh yeah, one more thing. Part of the beauty of the samurai sword is the jagged division of the polished and matte surfaces that run along the length of the blade. It comes from the sharpening process. The keen edge should be shiny, and the back should be sort of dull. Look here to see what I mean.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:15 pm     Reply with quote
I think you're trying to fore-shorten the scabbard, but really it looks like it's too small to fit the sword in...

And yeah, the samurai is great, but he needs a background worthy of him! The trees need to have trunks with some chips in the shape, right now they silhouette with straight vertical lines. They'd also be casting some serious shadows as well, with the branches casting on the snow underneath and lots of overlapping. The roots of the trees might displace more snow as well... the ground underneath a tree is usually quite bumpy.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 12:58 pm     Reply with quote
I see some people disagree with my sword info, i guess were just experiencing a case of not corresponding sources, I bow down and shall head over to my nearest library to refresh my faulted knowledge,

oh and Bjornar, lokk at the link Ragnarok added, there you can see how the blade is, even more shiny and with "riffles" down the side, this i think is to improve the cut? (dont shoot me if im wrong) anyway, youve done pretty well with this one, slap in some mist and shit in the background and fix the trees and ill be all over this painting Razz
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:43 pm     Reply with quote
Hi guys, sorry for the late reply. I've been away from the image until today, so looking upon it with a fresh eye also made me see things that needed change. I love how this tread turned out to give me lots of historical facts about samurais and ninjas, I'll put that knowledge to use in my project Smile

Yeah DeadbeaT I listened to you because I found your criticism constructive. And I think more people should start listening to you, since you have and eye for correcting things Smile

Ragnarok, I added reflections of the surrounding environment to the sword-surface. And Japong thanks for pointing out the scabbard and trees. And also thanks to you Impaler, Master Vigil and The Real Mark, your ideas where all put to use Smile

Hope you like the result, I actually flipped the image in the beginning and forgot about the hands. I prefer it this way now after having flipped it back horisontally:

And here's a close-up
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 3:05 am     Reply with quote
ooooo, big bad demon samurai. Now this is getting somewhere! Good work on adding the wind and mist and fixing the trunks! Very Happy Shocked
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