[Naeem]

had a really weird dream last night. its like 5;41 right now, and i just got out of the shower.
i was in an old fashioned train. when i got into the dream, the train was already moving fast. i had my own room in it. it was decent. and i was sitting in front of my tablet. the tablet was rigged to the old windows really tight. if it wasnt, the wind that was coming through woulda blown it away like it was paper. anyway, a tear came out of my eye and hit the tablet. (i didnt cry. the tear just came out, i dono y) as soon as it hit the tablet, it was swept away with the wind. and a couple of seconds later, i was jumping around the room all happy.

[Gort]

Predictions to come? No.

My advice to you is to read Man and His Symbols by Carl Jung.

More on this later - gotta get the kid to school.
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[balistic]

I've always had a lot of dreams about tornadoes . . . usually I'm trying to protect my sister in some kind of shelter like a mine or a basement, or we're trying to out-run the storm in a car. Some of the dreams have ridiculous amounts of devastation . . . like six category 5 funnels over Reno at once.

But I've never even seen a tornado in real life, or lived anyplace where they're common.

Other mass disaster dreams include a blackhole or dimensional rift opening up in the meadow in front of my childhood home, and a comet striking the Earth.

Maybe it's my karmic punishment for hating Bruckheimer movies.
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[Max]

I think you can't awnser that question in a serious way.
The human being is very sensitive. Many things which we don't notice while being totally conscious, will emegre in our dreams.
In so far you might surmise various events in your dreams which you wouldn't even consider as presumable while being awake.
It depends on your definition of "foreseeing".

I though think you can not percipience infomations whether visually, acoustical, or of any other nature which you haven't experienced before. Like for example your dream can't tell you what I will write in my next post

When I try to remember my dreams I sometimes can't even focus on one because so many "scenes" appear in my mind. It's very interesting. I can even remember dreams which (I believe) I dreamed years ago. If you learn to understand and interpret you dreams well, they for sure can be of great value to you by present solutions for your problems and more.

Dreams are mysterious. It's like being in another world. Often times it's nearly imposible to describe what you have experienced in a dream because it makes no sense whatsoever. So,...maybe I am wrong after all.
Imagine your dream is a secondary life. When remembering your dreams you actually remember scenes of your other life. What you will experience today you will dream about tomorrow you will remember the day after tomorrow...

[Gort]

According to Jung, dreams are manifestations of suppressed and non- suppressed actions and/or emotions by the conscious mind. We think we're in control, and sure seems that way, but Jung says that consciousness makes up only a small part of one's pysche - perhaps a little less than one third. The rest is owned by the sub-conscious, to which we succumb to in states of sleep. Once asleep the control factor becomes apparent; you - your self - is no longer in control; you deal with what's given you while there.

Jung suggests that objects or symbols of familiarality are manifestations of consciousness, while symbols that are vast, dark, uncontrollable, unfamiliar, etc. are manifestations of sub-consciousness. The manifestations themselves are specific only to the dreamer, and Jung cautions that they are not to be taken as literal interpretations in regards to wakefulness. For example, Brian dreams of sheltering his sister; this likely has nothing to do with his sister; his unconscious mind has manifested his sister as some representation of his self. Since his sister is someone familiar, she might be seen as a facet or layer of Brian's consciousness - a layer perhaps defined by an emotional state, condition or viewpoint as a result of interactions from wakefulness. There is some turbulence; perhaps this is the unconscious mind - the sub-conscious - and there's a need to get away from it. The mere fact Brian is aware of it in his dream and makes efforts to protect from it might suggest a level of control in his life. Another symbol of control here is the fact that he is driving the car; the car can easily be seen as a progessive mode of self and/or spiritual development and harmony, and he's driving; he understands what has to be done to move forward and away from turbulence.

Now don't misunderstand me; I am not saying that is the case with Brian, but what I am saying is that dreams are very, very specific to the dreamer; they are very personal, and only the person dreaming them can find the correlation between dreaming and wakefulness. Only Brian has the ability know himself and well; the answers to his questions lie within. Books on "1001 Dream Symbols Explained" will not bring instant meaning to your dream; however, they may serve as a catalyst to deeper assessments of one's own psyche.

Again I suggest Man and His Symbols by Carl Jung. Other good references dealing with unconsciousness and the collective unconsciousness of the human mind are works by Joseph Campbell.

Get your dream on.
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[Tomasis]

When Carl Jung is wakeful, he's dreaming also.

[Impaler]

What's always intrigued me more than the dreams I remember are the thousands of dreams I've had but DON'T remember.

Think about it. There could be a whole lifetime of mental experience that you'll never know.
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[Naeem]

wow! i didn't expect so much great feedback. thanks for responding guys. its very interesting reading everyone's opinions

gort> thanks alot for the link on the book. i bought it . will read it because it sounds interesting from the reviews. and thank u for the review also. very very interesting to read.
balistic> yeah, i've had dreams about storms and wind. my mom tells me heavy winds/tornadoes usually symbolize tension between you and the world. but hey, thats just wat my mom told me when i was a little kid .
max> hey buddy. i see the point you're trying to make and that's perfectly rational. It uses logic to explain dreams, and its not too farfetched. But, my beliefs are that although most of your dreams are from your past experiences, there is the connection with God at times which foreshadows things. However, you may not have the same beliefs as me, because you can say that im religious.
Impaler> it is a proven fact that you dream more then 1,000 dreams in one night. I think the number was near 2,000-3,000 dreams per night. Anyhow, that's because you're inside your own mind. And you dream at the pace of the mind. Just like thoughts and emotions; 30 different thoughts and emotions can pass through you in a split second. Thus, remembering every single dream would seem impossible. I think the dreams you do remember are the ones in which you are aware that you are dreaming and are a little bit independent in your thinkings. That's how it works with me at least. The dreams I remember are the ones that I feel I reacted in with a bit of my conscience instead of my sub-conscience. Thus, when I awaken, I remember my train of thought and what I was dreaming. I could go on about my own beliefs but I've rambled on enough.

[Yarik]

I have had the most weirdest experiences with dreams.
For the past 3 years I had no dreams. None what so ever. I would wake up, and think about what happened but can't remeber anything. for the past month I have been getting very vivid, colorfull, dreams. Dreams of girls. But I already know what I am dreaming about them soo much. ( I am not going to go into detail explaining what I see.. you have a mind, imagine it yourself ).

1) I have had dreams where I can control what I am doing. Some people say that they want to do something and it doesn't work, well in some of my dreams anything I do works.
2) I have had half awake dreams, where I kind of wake up in the middle of the night, but before I went back to sleep I imagined of something in my mind, and as soon as I fell back to sleep I am dreaming about it. Try it sometime, next time you take a leak at 3am in the morning think of star wars and go back to sleep and see what happens.
3) Real world stuff manifest into my dreams.
a) My mom is waking me up, calling me by name "yaro, Yaro." and in my dream I see a girl walk up to me and start saying "Yaro, Yaro."
b) I fell off my bunk bed once, and I hit my back on the wall, and then in my dream I had a scene where I fell of a building (was thrown off). When I woke up I was on the floor.
c) Falling through a dark hole. I can FEEL it. It is like going over a bump with your car or going down rapidly on a plane. It is that feeling you get in the pit of your stomach.
4) Seeing similar things in my dreams as in real life. DeJaVou(sp?).
5) Fighting monsters in my house.
6) Flying with my bare hands (A common dream for growing kids).
7) And lately I have been having dreams where I can discuss politics. I am dead serious, this has been happening for the past 2 weeks. I go to sleep thinking about an issue that I have discussed or about to, from www.arguepolitics.com and as I sleep my brain continues to function, and as soon as I wake up in the morning I can rember everything to the last second from before I fell asleep and everything I discussed in my dream. And I just continue discussing the particular issue in my mind. It is very weird.

but then again I had dreams where I met people like Ballistic, Capt.FlushGardens, Paris Hilton, Leigh(cgtalk.com), and other people. And I can visualise their faces even if I haven't seen them.

[gLitterbug]

For Dr. Freud it�d be more than easy to tell you the meaning of your dreams. It�s quite simple, you have a sexual want for your mother.

[Gort]

You're most wlcome, and don't forget Joseph Campbell either!
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[oDD]

[Max]

annisahmad: well, thats okay and I respect it I am realigious too but in another kind of way. I think there's some kind of power that ensures our equilibrium. Kinda Star Wars like, "May the force be with you"
Logical ways of describing this power are Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry,...and so on. Gravity for example is a part of that power. But there's alot of stuff science can not explain which doesn't mean that it can't exist. So, seeing into the future doesn't make any sence whatsoever, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. Many years ago people knew the earth was a plane, today we know it's round, what will we knoe tomorrow? There is no absolut truth. We never can be sure about something. Maybe the earth is a cube after all ,...well, likely not,...but,...maybe...

oDD: very interesting links!!

[Gort]

Max, you sound like a Spiritual Cosmologist (I say respectfully).


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[Sukhoi]

Funky stuff guys.

I had a reoccurring dream about nuclear holocaust when growing up. I remember seeing kids playing on a field with flowers and luch greenery. And I was hating them for it. I knew the bomb would soon go off and all would be gone. You know, I was so depressed and scared that I hated those kids still having fun.

And in a couple of instances of the dream my dad was being forced by someone to actually press 'the button'.... As if nuclear fire wasn't enough.......

Scary stuff growing up in the eighties.....(not really)
Nuclear holocast and the end of the world is still a theme I'm trying to work out of my body I guess.

-Sukhoi

[Novacaptain]

There is no fate but what we make, sukhoi

I wonder if Jung has any insights on lucid dreaming. It happens to me on occasion that i notice that it is a dream i am in and it breaks the illusion. I get to be in control and the dream turns into a playground where i am the alfa and the omega of all things *powertrip woowoo*.
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[digitaldecoy]

When you ask, if your dreams have a greater meaning you could aks as well, if your life has a greater meaning!

Many people think, that their dreams are nothing more than illusions. What many misunderstand is, that your daily life as well is just an illusion. What you see, what you hear, what you touch, smell and taste - these things are impressions your surrounding sends out to you but the final image of the world, the space you�re moving in, the place you think you know or call home - that all is composed in your brain.

And now, what happens when you are sleeping? The input is cut away, you are lying in your bed, you loose your consciousness but the brain still composes the world in your head. Everybody had at least one dream that felt so real that he woke up the next morning and could not believe that it was just a dream. I myself remember dreams in which I was gifted my favourite StarWars-toy by my uncle, only to wake up and realise it was just a dream. Everybody has dreamed of flying or falling and it felt very real. But still the most people think that dreams are just illusions and that mostly because so many think you have to be passive in your dreams.

oDD mentioned lucid dreaming and I think that this technique is the key to take advantage of your dreams. It�s a common misconception that you are not able to do anything willingly in your dreams. You can do anything. All you have to do is to learn how to regain consciousness in your dream. That sounds weird but it isn�t. In fact, many cultures have practiced this like the indians or the australian abourigines. I myself stumbled over this issue a few month ago and did some research on it on the internet. And it is no matter if you listen to dream scientists or esoterics - the techniques of regaining consciousness (or, to name the second popular technique: not loosing consciousness while youe fall asleep) are the same. I�m not going to explain those techniques here since oDD has posted enough links for anybody who is interested in the field but what I finally want to say is, that since I know about the possibilities of lucid dreaming, I feel it being a waste of time, to just sleep along and ignore the "inner world".
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[Sumaleth]

decoy: strangely, I wrote something eerily similar to what you said there in a horror story last week.

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I'm divided on whether dreams have meaning.

It's probably true to say that some of the images/objects/feelings that get thrown into the dream mix have meaning to the individual, and the way our subconscious tries to make sense of the random dream world (including making choices) probably tells us a little about our own partial-subconscious (that's not the WHOLE subconscious at work there).

But I don't believe for a second that there are any great truths or universal symbology to be found in dreams.

There's nothing to be discovered that you don't already know, and you're the only person who will spot and understand those rare elements with any meaning. And judging part of subconscious without the whole brain turned on is like trying to understand someone's walk based on the way they hop.

To me, dream analysis as a profession is right down there with astrology.
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[Gort]

[Naeem]

wow! im glad i posted this topic.
thanks so much. im still reading the replies and reading through all the sites. going to try controlling my dreams.
i've always been 'aware' of myself dreaming, but could never 'control' it. perhaps the thought never crossed my mind.

sometimes, my dreams are so real, and there is nothing 'farfetched' about them, that I confuse them with reality. For example, I had a dream that my teacher asked me to bring in this one book I had. The next day, I woke up, I didn't know I had dreamt it and I brought the book to school. He was bewildered. So at times, my dreams confuse me because they are sometimes really real.

I have also been having a dream since I was a child. I dream it at least once a year now. Before it used to be on a much more regular basis. In that dream, it's night. And I'm walking, and the moon is real bright. Suddenly, a thick haze of sleep passes over me. And I tell myself 'this is a dream. if you fall asleep, you will die.' And as I'm thinking that, my eyes begin to close and im walking down streets, trying to get home to bed. There are times where I lost and hte dream ended and times where I woke up, and other times where I won and didn't fall asleep. weird eh?

everyone is giving such great input.

[Max]

Gort: thanks.

I had some weird dreams too today. Still trying to give them a meaning. It's quite simple though. I played doom3 before I got to sleep. And then I keep playing it in my dreams, but without fear...crazy thing is that I played on from the level I ended with. So I have seen parts of a level I shouldn't be able to see, because I wasn't that far in the game. I will check if my imagination was true. I quess not...

[The Big Harf]

It's telling you to cry on all your work. Then you will be happy.



Seriously, it sounds like when you're life's going too fast, take a look outside, and put down what's got you feeling bad on paper to get it off your mind.
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[stacy]

It's pretty straight forward.

The old train is the way you spelled in the past.
The tablet is what you write on.
The tear is the effort you'll put into learning how to spell.
Jumping around is how you'll feel when you finish learning how to spell.

[Naeem]

ha.. that's funny stacy. i didn't ask for ur rude remarks on my shorthand.
i'm wondering y u're not blocked, after makign ur self mod and all.
i don't get it. y be an ass when i don't know u? never talked to u, and if u've got comments like that for threads, no one needs them.

[eyewoo]

After too many years of dreaming, I'm starting to have dreams that refer back to scenes, characters and situations in past dreams, rather than reality. Its quite interesting... there seeming to be this other dimension alive and well in my mind, like another world with relationships, etc. I've awakened a few times to recall that what I was dreamiing about was someone or something I knew in the past... and it takes me a few moments to figure out whether it was in this reality or not. Interesting stuff, considering the dreams, situations, clothing, etc. are all in this time i.e. not period pieces from past lives... if there are past lives...

I look forward to them, 'cause they're fun...
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[Naeem]

one more weird thing from here...
Soemtimes, I remember dreams years after I have them, but could not recall when I DID have them. kinda cool.

eyewoo> thats awesome

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[The Insane Lemur]

speaking of dreams, has anyone here ever experianced sleep paralysis? i used to like every weekend when id sleep in late,its very frightening when you hear demonic voices and can't move, but can see your room or wherever you went to sleep around you because you are half awake.

[Naeem]

i've had the insane lemur. but i cant move my body, nor open my eyes. the thing is, i can run between dreams and consciousness at will when i get that.
i dont hear demonic voices. only voices of the people speaking in my household

[Affected]

An art teacher I once had told me of a sleep-paralysis like experience he had, except he wasn't paralyzed. He woke up and still dreamt huge beetles etc. were scurrying around his apartment. He got out of bed and hopped over one by the door so he could get out of his bedroom...