[Pavel Lagutin]

"Angel can`t see the Hell itself, can`t even touch it....The reason for visit is to feel the heat..."

Some proportion misstakes, because i din`t want to use an a reference for this work.Wacom, Photoshop 5.

[noxi]

stunning rendering. this would be a great old school heavy metal cover! i wish the heat in the picture would be more intense.

why does she have such a calm expression on her face alltough she�s blindfolded, chained, and somewhat uncomfortably clothed? I see that there could a point on it, but I�m not too bright to figure it out.

Cool pic.

[stacy]

Angels aren't sex pots with big breasts.
In fact angels in scripture are male.
The only One from Heaven that could
decend to hell and not be consumed
was Jesus Christ. That's why He was
sent to redeem us and not an angel babe
with a big rack.
If you're going to go to all the trouble to
portray angels, why bother with personal
fantasies that couldn't possibly be accurate.

It's a nice rendering, especially the building,
the lighting and the hazy light mood, but
that's not the way God works.

[Drunken Monkey]

you are adorable stacy

[stacy]

Uh...thanks Monkey,
I'll let my wife know you think so.

[Affected]

I thought angels were genderless? It's not like they reproduce...

[faeklone]

personally I think it's a great rendering. Although the hip area looks more defined than the top part of the body, and I feel the background needs a bit more careful rendering.

As for the Angel debate(I know I'm going to hate myself for wading into this one) Angels are messengers of God. However, the true definition of the word Angel is Messenger from the greek. They're messengers of God. Nothing in the bible tells of the wings of Angels(I'm not totally sure on that one). When Christianity was adopted by the Roman Empire alot of the traditions form the former gods was folded into the religion to appease the masses and make Christianity more of a religion that the masses could accept.

Part of that annexation of Pagan Gods by the Christians was that of the god Cupid. This little figure has always been represented as a figure with wings and a bow. the most popular of the renderings were of a cherub with wings. So as the annexation continued, Cupid became assosciated with Angels. Perhaps it made more sence to the people at the time that Angels could get around on wings, and that wings looked so majestic that it must be heavenly.

Anyway, to suggest that this is a corruption of Judeo-Christian values could be correct, in the sence that these traditions have been around for 1,500 years. However seeing a figure with wings just as an Angel si nothing more than looking at a picture with blinders on your eyes. The tradition of winged people goes back farther than Christianity. Look at the greek myths, espescially Deadalus and Icarus.

Angel has become a generic term for any winged human. Another generic example would be Pegasus. Pegasus was a horse, a Male horse at that. An now winged horses are always referred to a Pegasus, and mostly given female attributes.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is look past any biases you may have, and see the picture for what it is. That's what this forum is about, not the arguement of puritanicial ideas regardless of religion.

Enjoy the art for it's creation and how it reads visually.
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[stacy]

The Angels of the bible are described as male.

Why reject God, who's holy and righteous but
yet accept fantasy images made purely from
a fallen human imagination.
That's a bit backwards.

faeklone is quite right, Angels with fluffy feathered
wings are not scriptural.

Just to look at one, you wouldn't know him
from anybody else.
In fact you're advised that sometimes you're
in the presence of Angels and don't know it.

Sometimes you just don't know
who you're talking to.

[Pavel Lagutin]

Whoa!!! A lot of religion disscuss here...Hold on, please... It`s just an a picture with a primitive idea (i seen alot of female angels in fantasy art).
Is anyone seen an angel? Maybe a big flashing tits before your eyes make you beleve what sometimes they are female too
Sorry for my english, long time without practice

[insane007]

stacy, many would argue that the angels in teh bible are just as much a work of fiction as this painting. Breaking the views of a religion that he may not even be a part of, is not a critisism for this wonderful painting

No offense meant

[Affected]

OK, I'm going to shut up after this as this is not that relevant really, but:

"They are without gender as we know it, being neither male nor female, and they do not marry (Matthew 22:28-30)."

quote from
http://www.angel-images.bigstep.com/generic.html?pid=4

[Affected]

I guess it would be polite to try to make some useful comments as well:

The stomach looks really flat and there's a pretty sharp corner that seems to run up her side from the hip bone... And the navel maybe should be a bit higher. Of course a navel is only for beings who were born the traditional way anyway...

And her breasts seem to be different sizes, the left one especially is odd. Did whoever chained her also put those straps on?

[ten]

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[Feral]

Not to hijack this thread,but please keep your religious views to yourself.

[Pavel Lagutin]

Thanks TEN, a lot of information for me to think about.
I`m using reference sometimes for realy big and serious work like this one
http://forums.sijun.com/viewtopic.php?t=38665

[Max_Dark]

[Anthony]

I only have realistic fantasies... *cough* Nice image, a little monotone in some skin areas, but nothing to complain about!
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[milkweed]

why don't we keep religion out of it, and just comment on the actual painting.
i like the piece overall but i agree that there should be more "heat".... maybe more color in the background to signify it.... but i love it as is as well
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[BloodStone]

I really like the background in this piece, but the angel is really bothering me. I can't help but think she is bent over a bedpost or something in an original photo. Her pose is extremely suggestive and to me it doesn't fit this picture.

Other than that I really think you did a great job with the rendering!
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[tardras]

Holy hell, this is great art!

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[durgldeep]