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Capt.FlushGarden · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:24 am

woha! whicked spooge!
edit: ok i dont understand spooge, maybe i misunderstood the reason u posted those zoom ins, but you are talking about that you use the same brush and strokes and such when u work with oils, but those old paintings and the zoom ins looks to me like the artist has painted with one brush aswell, heck, he noodled so much there's no brush strokes left!! you can do that, can't you?

here's a portrait of a friend who plays in a band, i cheated with photos on this one hehe Smile

Odds · member Member # Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 374

awesome Flush Smile

i really like the abstractness of that one... so keep it up!

Yarik · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:00 am

haha, nice one Flush! I love the sun flowers!

Naeem · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:07 am

really great job spooge and flush. keep it up.another one:

Mitsui · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:07 am

thnx watmough!
Swarm thnx! Nice to see your work again! Missed it!

Flush that's awesome!

Here is No. 200

Pato · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:07 am

wow, nice work everyone!

spooge - Your last post remind me that once I read that the baroque sculptor and architect Lorenzo Bernini said. Not the same words, but the same idea: If you take a person and make up all its face in white. Including the hair and eyes (ouch!) You will not recognize that the person. Same with a marble sculpture. You have to find out the most important features in the face of the model and exagerate them. Almost like a caricature.
This concept can be appllied to every medium on any subject, from a portrait to a landscape.
I like this idea...

Odds · member Member # Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 374

holy crap that's ugly!

eyewoo · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:04 am

Spooge... agreed with your thoughts on tracing. My problem is I'm not only bad at drawing - always have been - I'm also not interested in the time it takes to do it. I appreciate good drawing too much and see no way that I'll ever be able to achieve the quality that I so much admire, so, I spend my time on other things, other aspects, concepts, techniques, lighting, color and assign the drawing to an inconsequntial level that will be covered over anyway... I don't like to draw, accept for spontaneaous, humorus, children's oriented drawing where physical accuracy is not part of the mix, nor is it particularly desired... That sort of drawing I love to do. One of my favorite drawers was James Thurber, who was mainly a writer. Simply loved his drawings. Also like Shel Silversteins drawing. So why do I do the realistic work. I enjoy the painting part... the textures achieved... discovering different ways of getting through the process with technical imagination. I actually suspect I'm more of a scientist than I am an artist, but since I don't really have the brainpower or rigor to actually be a scientist, I conveniently call myself an artist.

Some of my charcoal drawing (done some time ago) that I kind'a like

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JZA · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:34 pm

Kinda ripped the idea for the windscreen off the mazda kusabi. Desperately trying to break my inspirational block....

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starglider2 · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:28 pm

SPOOGE : i like the way you describe the importance of drawing. everything starts at the drawing level. Its like the foundation upon wich a painted empire can be built
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jr · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:29 pm

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starglider2 · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:33 pm

SPOOGE : do you know the works of Frederick Edwin Church ? He did awesome exotic landscapes in a way that still make my jaw drop everytime i look at them. Some of them are made entirely with the use of descriptions alone. He was like a matte painter wizard in the 19th century
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extraneous_element · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:06 pm

S T O P

Stop. Stop what you are doing. Stop talking. Close you mouth.
Don't say a word. Just breathe. Breathe quietly. Cease arguing.
Put your hands down. Stand still. Don't do a thing. Relax. Let it go.
Stop. Just stop.

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i don't think i like it very much...
pardon complete lack of detail.

ax--hv · member Member # Joined: 08 Dec 2003 Posts: 349

Flush, Matthew> thanks! Smile

Hawkswift · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:00 pm

So I got inspired after I posted that last one Razz

'course, next time I should work either with layers or from back to front consistently. So it goes.

Lunatique · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:56 pm

Odds · member Member # Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 374

i re-painted that girl... except in b/w... i think it turned out somewhat better Smile

schneekind · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:02 am

hello, this is my first post in this forum.
i like this thread Smile

Railk · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 2:35 am

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Matthew · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:12 am

Spooge, I understand your oil reasoning now but maybe u should give the
oil some more time instead of doing it in a quick solution. U remember I pm u about surfaces once? how some surfaces can be smooth while others can have the texture that u had in your tree oil painting.
There was one painter that displayed this for me once and he removed paint from some parts of my painting with a cloth and pallette knife
and instantly there was more depth and variety in that painting. So, u don't have to make it right with the first stroke, if wrong remove the paint and startover and u will avoid the grey pile of paint u once mentioned and I can tell u I have had a lot of those insidences too.
One thing that helps for me and I can only speak for myself with everything and as you know my experience isn't that long either, but, that is to think digitally when I paint. How would I solve this painting digitally? I think for myself when starting out with a new oil-panting. Maybe you are holding yourself back when painting with oil, give yourself some more time and more mileage with oil and I think u will go far with this medium.
Hope my rambling is ok and that I am not offending u cause I may sound like an asshole sometimes so let me know if I do, btw really appreciate
those bouegerau close-ups, I really enjoy to examine his works. Have u seen all those small dots in his works in the other close-ups? they all have
different values and colors and saturation, some of those small blue dots he used are totally amazing and must for sure be amazing to look at in
the original paintings. All small differences makes up for big changes in paintings, really an awesome thing I believe.
keep it up Spooge-boy and thanks for sharing your thoughts here, I really appreciate it.

made a quick sketch to add to the oil discussion.

Swarm, Capt.Flush, Seth1, Chruser, Reakshun, many thanks there guys I really appreciate it. Smile

Capt.flush, it's totally ok I love tips and such.

Chruser, thx for the welcome I appreciate it.

keep up guys.

Naeem · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:25 am

here r soem i did this morning. im on a roll....

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Freebooter · member Member # Joined: 31 Jan 2004 Posts: 417

Inspired by Mikko K's samurai he made long time ago.

Naeem · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:51 am

im really inspired today. 4th speedpainting in a row!

ax--hv · member Member # Joined: 08 Dec 2003 Posts: 349

Matthew, Spooge, Flush, Mitsui> beautiful stuff!

Ref used

Mitsui · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:17 am

thnx ax

Odds · member Member # Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 374

nice one Mitsui Very Happy

Naeem · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:17 am

DRW · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:19 am

i like this one annisahmad!
Very inspiring!

DRW
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Freebooter · member Member # Joined: 31 Jan 2004 Posts: 417

Another samurai dog.