[balistic]

Games are primarily made and sold in America, and are primarily played online by Americans.

Therefore, American assholes in games are more numerous than their exotic counterparts.

Its a matter of proportions, not nationality.

And its not my fault you got PWN3D LIEK A LLAMA U CAMPING PANZER-FAG!!!!1!1

*cough*

[Gimbal8]

Hey Svanur, It is like Balistic said, think about the numbers. There is a huge online gaming market in the US. Law of averages alone would dictate that you are going to run into a bunch of stupid idiots from the US more then any other country just because the ratio of representation is so high. And games like Red Alert 2 don't help the situation much. Also, there has been a growing trend in America (probably started by the stupid child rearing book written by that Dr. Spock guy) where parents don't discipline their children often enough (or at all). It is of my opinion that this causes kids to grow up as spoiled little a-holes who are destined to piss everyone off or choke to death on their own teeth after they piss off the wrong person. Parents also seem to just give the kids whatever they want just to shut them up, and this in my opinion causes a big problem with attention span (and the retarded practice of diagnosing EVERY FREAKIN' KID as having Attention Deficit Disorder so that parents have something to blame their child's behavior on besides their inept parenting).

It is too bad your online playing experience has been like that. I know I sure was getting sick of stupid idiots from other countries trying to get me to answer for things in the US's past, like I (or they) had anything to do with the events that occurred before we were even born. That stuff is just uber-gay.

But every now and then while playing Counter-Strike, Operation Flashpoint or Falcon 4.0 we would get a good group of people together and would have a fantastic time. We would make friends with people from all over the world and find out just how similar our lives and views are. So don't let a bunch of pin-heads taint your view of the entire population of a country...then you will be just like them.

[[Shizo]]

Ha!
When i moved to america, i went to school.. first "blast" i felt when some dork put his feet on my desk. I thought i was supposed to hit him the the face for this insult, but everyone went like "whaa?".

I have limitless stories about me in american Highschool.

[MoleculeMan]

Video Games are all about talking smack and to some small degree actually winning. Also another thing is the mobish mentality of it all. In a crowd where people can act anonymously, people will be more bold, while when singled out those people tend to be meeker. Imagine a large mob of millions of people where your identity is the name "Pimptron1337". Of course they are going to talk a lot of smack, because you aren't right next to them to give them thier own shair of 'smack'. So don't worry, go watch Jay and Silent Bob and you'll find out what i mean hehe. Also recognize that a majority of people who play videogames are teenagers...

jake

[roundeye]

and theyre all fat too, and wear cowboy hats.

[Biseor]

If anything it's the "hate america no matter what" european attitude that we should be looking at.

Every other fucking sentence they spew is peppered with how bad and evil America is, along with, "all americans are fat, stupid, beasts who belong in cages."

[balistic]

Google image search for "canadian":

[roundeye]

point taken.

[roundeye]

haha "the all american" indeed: http://www.catay.com/cat/charlietown/4.htm

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[mjmcchesney]

But all Americans are fat, stupid, beasts who belong in cages. Well, 99.9999% of them at least. And yes, I am American. And yes, I am a fat, stupid beast who belongs in a cage. And I'm not proud of it in the least.

[Svanur]

Okay, we have a saying here in Iceland and perhaps you have a similar one, it says "Glymur haest i tomri tunnu" or in english "an empty barrel makes the most noise". In simpler terms this means that those who have next to nothing between their ears make the most noise. The views of each country is formed by those who are the most dickheads and this applies everywhere. Everybody stereotypes nations, based on those individuals or the nations name (most american people think that Iceland is a state in the US and that we are eskimos, I don't know why)

It is true that the american audience is the most numerous one in the games, except maybe for StarCraft which seems dominated by Korean people(correct me if I am wrong).

I find it stupid that people want you to answer for things that the government, not the nation, did in the past. It's like racial, social or national groups who were oppressed in the past and demand that the children pay the price of their ancestors.
Retribution is popular these days.

The anonymous power of the net is sometimes overwhelming for children, no matter what country and I agree some discipline is needed at an early age. Too many parents give their kids money so they can go hang out at the nearest burgerplace, candy store or arcade. Even the TV is used as a babysitter.

But the thing I hope for is that people turn more toward globalism instead of nationalism. The idea of people being that different from country to country is old and dated, especially when people are getting so numerous. But what do I know, perhaps I am too idealistic.

Fortunately I've had better experience in Jedi Knight II where I have met many terrific opponents who loved nothing more than going on die hard lightsaber duel

Camper what? 1 4m 4 133t h4x0r wh0 u535 m4ph4ck!

[roundeye]

i disagree, i think the average person in america is responsible for the actions of its government. not only did you vote them in, but if you think your govenment is unfit to rule you have the power to overthrough it. every american has equal blood on its hands.

[MoleculeMan]

Bullshit roundy!! WHat happens if the person you vote for loses?? OR if the election is so close that is virtually 50/50 like it was recently? By the way you make it sound, we should just be able to jump out of our chairs and start the revolution heh. The problem is we have to many proles satisfied with thier position!!! (1984!)

jake

[Svanur]

How come most people from the US who play games are such wankers? I have played a few times Red Alert 2 and each time I get some badmouthing American, who calls everyone, non US, a bitch and a whore. I ain't saying that other countries are different, far from it, every country has their fair share of wankers but come one, every time I play, there is always some american calling me and my friends this and that(I refrain from typing some of those words).

There is a reason why many of my friends and families hate/dislike American people somewhat. Mostly because of their "Bigger than life" attitude and that "Everyone non US are *****"

Please try to explain what it is in their upbringing that causes this. As far as I know I met a lot of nice people from the US but when it's on the net, people go balistic or something.

answers anyone?

Disclaimer: I am not trying to start a flame war, just trying to know why people act like this.

[James Bradford]

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[Lunatique]

Sadly, most of those gamers are teenagers, and American teenagers are some of the most uncultured, idiotic, offensive, mean, cruel, and shallow kids in the whole world. Some of them grow up into pretty cool adults, but some grow up into...well, you've seen our current joke of a president.

Man, I HATED middle school and high school BECAUSE of the idiotic teenagers. Back in high school(this is in California), I pretty much ignored everyone on campus. I hung out with college kids, and my GF at the time was 9 years older than me. I couldn't stand high school!

Funny thing is, now that I'm 29, I get along with teenagers much better now.

[ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: Lunatique ]

[elam]

[Rat]

Canadian teens aren't much better than American ones. They all seem to think they rule the universe. I'm happy to sit back with a book or a computer and leave the universe for them to fight over.

[Gimbal8]

lol @ Roundeye the instigator. Sure is easy to get people riled up though, isn't it?

Anyway, you forgot to mention that even if the events happened before I could vote that it is then my parents fault and the sins of my parents are passed down unto me. Or that if the election didn't go the way I wanted it too it is my fault for not swaying enough people to vote for the candidate I wanted in office. Or that if an official I elected into office does anything wrong it is everyones fault in general for living here.
iow, guilt by association.

No wonder wars last longer then the people who started them.

Someone arrest me. I think one of my ape ancestors stole another apes bananas.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Roundeye has touched on some interesting points... I don't think Americans today are necessarily responsible, for example, for the injustices on the African American population at times of slavery. However, black Americans are still directly suffering as a result of slavery - poverty is a direct result of slavery. It's not a coincidence that blacks and hispanics are at the bottom of the barrel. And yes, I know there are success stories - but the fact of the matter is, not every "sistah" is going to become a Halle Berry and find herself on top of the world accepting an Oscar and not every guy is going to get into the NBA and become the next Kobe Bryant. And a lot of people might not want to believe it, but many Americans, while not responsible for slavery, are benefitting from it. Your cotton-farm plantation-owning-ancestors paved the way for you. In most cases, you need money to make money in this country. So how do you expect the "bottom of the barrel" to become, for instance, digital artists, computer programmers... such things which are increasingly becoming popular today (despite the economic slump) when you can't even get a damn computer to "get your learn on?"

[MoleculeMan]

I don't think we ever enslaved the hispanics... I think the reason that blacks and hispanics are at the "bottom" of the barrel as you put it is more because of racist policies that America had for a long while, not necc. because of slavery. I am not saying that Slavery didn't contribute, but that Slavery is a symptom and racism is the problem that caused it. I also take a lot of offense at the statement that "And a lot of people might not want to believe it, but many Americans, while not responsible for slavery, are benefitting from it. Your cotton-farm plantation-owning-ancestors paved the way for you. " Thats a little to broad and sweeping for my blood. It assumes that all americans had ancestors in the south that enslaved africans, and it isn't the case.

Also, in my post i wasn't as riled as i seemed, i just like exclamation marks heh.

ack more later i am late for advising!

jake

[Gimbal8]

Not everybody is going to be the next Kobe Bryant and Hale Berry. But that goes for any 'race'. Not every white person is going to be the next Bill Gates either.

What gets me is this:
"Your cotton-farm plantation-owning-ancestors paved the way for you."

What cotton-farm plantation-owning ancestors?!

That's exactly the kind of crap I'm talking about. For that matter you can blame Afican's for capturing and selling other tribes into slavery to the white men who sailed by Africa to get slaves. And what good would that do? Absolutely nothing.

We are all aware of the history behind the events that lead to the present, but I refuse to be responsible for the past actions of others. I'm not going to feel guilty about the color that is reflected off my skin or the geographic location that I popped out of my mother's womb. NOR SHOULD ANYONE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All this social stratification is needless and it doesn't help poverty or racism issues. The only way to judge someone is by the nature of their character and that can only be done on an individual basis.

[Gimbal8]

I didn't see the previous two posts before I finished posting that last message so no need to rehash some of the explanations or anything.

Oh and Moleculeman, I didn't mean to say that you were easily riled up. I was pointing out to Roundeye that I'm onto his game.

The exchange between Roundeye and Balistic is funny as hell though.

[MoleculeMan]

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Slavery of the hispanics was a tiny scale compared to blacks... which was institutionalized. But Native Americans were enslaved... I really don't know where to draw the line between Mexicans and Native Americans and Spanish Mexicans... too complicated and I really don't know much about the subject. But we did take Mexican land and didn't exactly keep our promise about integrating some of those Mexicans in the system - many of them ended up working the land that was once theirs. After the US took over, a lot of them really weren't familiar with the laws and, loosely, got "tricked" into giving up their land.

A professor of mine made a pretty good proposition - and by far, this one seems reasonable. He suggests we take the race issue completely out of the picture by giving back to the community. We do this by imposing really heavy inheritance taxes. The fact of the matter is - no you are not responsible for what you parents' parents' parents' actions, ie: slavery. With the same argument, you didn't earn your parent's money, you shouldn't get it... at least not all of it. The money goes to the poorest communities in the nation. How does that sound?

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Well the problem i think with your professor's proposal is the fact that America already levies huge taxes on inheritence (i've heard as much as 50%). While i agree that the sins of the father's shouldn't be the sins of the son, the father really should be allowed to do what he wants with his will. I mean its like the policy is this: Old Fathers last wish: "My last wish is that all my inheritance to go to my poor son tony with the bum leg and the iron lung" Government: "Not so fast!" hehe it sounds really lame (the example) but i think that people should have some say where the fruits of one's labor goes. I think one of the best things about America is that though not everyone is born equally, everyone has a chance to succeed.

jake

[RenaissanceGirl]

In theory, yes, everyone has a chance to succeed. However, the chances are much slimmer for some than others. I have seen bad areas as well as good areas, and there is a huge discrepancy between the two environments. Aside from having to shoulder rough neighborhoods, some kids have to use out-of-date books, poor teachers, bad facilities, etc.

I'm not saying my professor's suggestion is perfect. It's just the best I have heard so far. My suggestion is to legalize drugs - at least black people will spend less time in jail and more time putting food on the table and affording a decent education for their kids. Again, this is NOT a perfect solution and I know a lot of the arguments against it and I have counterarguments for most... but I won't go into that right now.

Gimbal - I said I don't think you are responsible for slavery. But I do think you did benefit from it to some degree. Hey, I wasn't born in this country, nor were my parents, nor am I white, and I believe I benefited from slavery. And on the contrary, studying social stratification is very important. People don't want to look at it because they're too comfortable in their consumer driven lives to give a helping hand to their fellow neighbors. And in regards to your comments about African slavery - yes, Africans did sell "their own people" and there was a lot of inter-tribal trades and selling of people. However, in most cases, those people were usually integrated into the tribe that they were sold into - they become a part of the family and not given sub-human status. This existed in a lot of societies, at least at some point in time. I really can't say much about the time when slavery extended beyond the tribal realms and into the US. And it wasn't just in the US, I know a lot of other European countries participated in slavery. However, the US is the last to abolish slavery and the institution of slavery in the US is the most cruel and inhumane treatment of human beings.

And I'm sorry everyone, it's really a complex topic and I really don't mean to call all white people clan members, etc. I know there is a good percentage that is in support of oppressed people. And I know that the oppressed, too, participate in their own oppression.

[Giant Hamster]

Now, remember:

Don't do drugs. Be a winner and always give 110% Stay in school and Always wear protection.

[RenaissanceGirl]

Slavery of the hispanics was a tiny scale compared to blacks... which was institutionalized. But Native Americans were enslaved... I really don't know where to draw the line between Mexicans and Native Americans and Spanish Mexicans... too complicated and I really don't know much about the subject. But we did take Mexican land and didn't exactly keep our promise about integrating some of those Mexicans in the system - many of them ended up working the land that was once theirs. After the US took over, a lot of them really weren't familiar with the laws and, loosely, got "tricked" into giving up their land.

Now I'm not saying that everyone's ancestors were plantation owners or slave owners. At the same time, I am also not saying that giving African Americans money is the best thing. Also, I totally agree with you on the racist politics thing. An example of this is the drug war. The laws and tactics used to fight drugs have done nothing effective in stopping drug abuse but is extremely effective in keeping blacks behind bars and make the poor poorer and the rich richer.

A professor of mine made a pretty good proposition - and by far, this one seems reasonable. He suggests we take the race issue completely out of the picture by giving back to the community. We do this by imposing really heavy inheritance taxes. The fact of the matter is - no you are not responsible for what you parents' parents' parents' actions, ie: slavery. With the same argument, you didn't earn your parent's money, you shouldn't get it... at least not all of it. The money goes to the poorest communities in the nation. How does that sound?

[Steelwind]

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I just have to ask...

You didn't have to ask. You felt like pointing and calling names.

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you didn't earn your parent's money, you shouldn't get it... at least not all of it. The money goes to the poorest communities in the nation. How does that sound?

They didn't earn it either.

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many Americans, while not responsible for slavery, are benefitting from it. Your cotton-farm plantation-owning-ancestors paved the way for you. In most cases, you need money to make money in this country. So how do you expect the "bottom of the barrel" to become, for instance, digital artists, computer programmers...

Well, gee, I guess they should just work for it, like the anscestors of those that have money now. Money doesn't come from nowhere, you know. Someone always has to work for it in the beginning.

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some kids have to use out-of-date books, poor teachers, bad facilities, etc.

Funny, the books in the high school I attended haven't been replaced in twenty to thirty years; money from the budget allocated to replace books kept going to buy and try to upgrade inferior computers. I seem to be doing okay.

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However, the US is the last to abolish slavery and the institution of slavery in the US is the most cruel and inhumane treatment of human beings.

Oh, there is no longer slavery in any incarnation anywhere on the planet? Wow, I guess the next thing to look for is all wars or skirmishes everywhere in the world stopping.

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[Sukhoi]

More pictures of fat people and horn orchestras!!!!

Sukhoi

[strata]

I'm not going to get into the american bashing thread again, but I do have three points:

• I believe that teenagers EVERYWHERE in the world are dumbasses. This might be because of my relentless dislike of children of all ages, but seriously, in no part of his/her life is an individual as screwed up and unstable as in his/her teens. Insecurity, lack of knowledge but an overabundance of confidence, lack of maturity but an overabundance of will etc etc. Of course I am generalising, there are clever, stable teens too... just like there are moron adults and 4 year old prodigees... but in general, they're retards.

• EVERYBODY on the net is playing a role... you all know this... I mean there is no barrier to keep us back as there is in real life... if you say something completely out of line, you are not going to get smacked, or loose the only friends you've got... you might get verbally abused and you may not be welcome in that crowd any more, but think about it... how difficult is it to make friends on the net as it is in real life?
I would think that most of the kids sitting on-line playing hard asses, are actually quite calm and laid back, if not even geeks in real life... but there's nothing to stop them, and I would think that it's very liberated for them to act out sometimes, they never get to do it in rl... kind of like the comment made about high school higher up... it's all about talking smack and keeping up appearances.

• As for slavery not existing... perhaps not in the way that the americans exercised it... but keep in mind that there are plantations and mines in asia where people pay a fee to go to the mines to work (where you make 3 or even 4 times as much as you do back home), only when they get over there, the boat back costs 4 times as much as they paid to get there in the first place, and the 'plantation owner' will charge them huge insurance costs (wrong word but still) and rents (wrong word again, but you get the point), which in essence makes them slaves. They have no option but to go work in the mines, because they have nowhere to go, they can't get back home, they can't get another job on the island, and if they don't work they have nothing.
In other words, they're stuck in the mines wether they want to or not.

This is equally much slavery, only by a persons 'somewhat' free will.

And with that, I'm out like a fat kid in a baseball game... see y'all on monday