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Molako_Plus · Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2002 5:59 pm

People!!! help me out. I need to find a site that offers the KPT plug-ins for photoshop.

just like most people i aint willing to pay hard earned dollaz for damn plug-ins.

the_monkey · Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:59 pm

first off, warez is bad.
secondly, plugins are bad.

cheney · Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:24 pm

Plugins are good. They are bad if you are uncreative and completely and utterly lack design skills.

My watch image, Preterition, used plugins to make it look more realistic. Does that make it suck? I would love to see somebody paint it as well.

Awetopsy · Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:50 pm

you aint getting any warez from any of us.. this is an honest people message board.. how would you like it if somebody took something you worked hard to design and used it for their own purposes...

Pat · Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2002 12:22 am

quote:
Originally posted by cheney:
My watch image, Preterition, used plugins to make it look more realistic. Does that make it suck?

Er, yes. Well to be more accurate, from an art standpoint, it devalues your work. The mere fact that anyone can create exactly the same result with a push of the button in the same software reduces your work's value. The absense of unique personal technique is the fastest road to a visual cliche. You'd have to be very clever to recoup any value through innovative use of the filters or perhaps context.

While your watch image is striking, how many thousands of decisions were made by the computer and not the artist? You didn't really create that image, you directed it. Plugs-ins, by their very nature, lack the level of control a serious painter demands. What push-button solutions may have in technique, they quickly lose in relevance. The look will become played out as thousands of people generate very similar results.

-Pat

Lunatique · Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2002 1:37 am

I've got one word for people who rely too much on plugins:

Lenseflare.

How soon we forget. . ..

But, I understand many designer types have very different philosophy regarding their work. In fact, most don't consider it "art," so we can't really judge designers' work by the standards of people who draw/paint. It's apples vs. oranges. The field of design is pure commercialism by nature, where drawing/painting is less so.

strata · Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2002 1:54 am

I can see plugins as a good starting point though... in the newbies mind you get nice results and you get fired up by what you've created... and after a while you will hopefully more and more realize that plugins are bad m'kay? I used to use plugins left and right... I was the eyecandy freak so to speak... and now all I use is a bit of gaussian/radial blur...

cheney · Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:04 am

I use guassian blur and radial blur alot as well, but I still don't see why people look down upon the use of plugins. If I thought people could design as realistic looking textures or lighting effects without the use of plugins then you guys might have a point. But, I fail to see anybody striving for a sense of realism in art that is strictly texture or design oriented rather than painting.

Molako_Plus · Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2002 12:31 am

i dunno how the hell my request turned into a philosophy debate.
i dont abuse plug-ins or filters or whatever. KPT has one great plug in that makes freaky 3D shapes which i would just love to use in one of my web designs.

Art is one thing, and i understand where "skills" and "technique" is needed.
but the Art of Design is the art of manipulation. Composing elements with teh full knowledge of the rules one can create images which draw the eye's of the masses.

so plz... try to understand the difference... and can i have my plug-ins now?