[Arc][Pello]

From a young age i always had the perseption that women were better than men at art, but as i grew up i soon found out this was false, sure the are some amazing female artists out there but few ever made the history books that i read.
so does this mean that men are more creative then women? or does culture prefere to shun female artits to one side in favour of males.

i respect all well formed views.

[[Shizo]]

it's because men are better than women :0

[Dr. Bang]

thats not true, alot of woman draws better than man. But when they grow up, they became like a doctor or something.

Its funny that you mention this but i think woman are born to draw better than man, at class i was at, many of the girl can draw better than a guy who had pratice drawing for a long time.

[ March 12, 2002: Message edited by: Dr. Bang ]

[Kuren]

I think both are equal or can be equal if they chose to be...

It's just that women spend a lot of time shopping. hehe... j/k

[Jucas]

Simply, yes. Men have established themselves since the "old days", women have and still are establishing themselves in the art field and in many other artistic, and job related fields all over the world.

[el scoono]

If you look through an art history book there are very few female artists of note. This is primarily because women artists were discriminated against for hundreds of years. They were discouraged from pursuing art seriously and they were ignored if they did. Mary Cassatt was one of the most brilliant painters of her time, yet she had to struggle to gain even the faintest recognition.

The same is true in the world of commercial art, although it's closer to a level playing field now. When I was in school many of the most brilliant art students were women. So there's no question in my mind that men and women are on equal footing in terms of artistic ability.

[strata]

if you look through a history book there are very few women noted - period.

[James Bradford]

I remember my professor saying one time that woman are naturally better artists because they tend to have more patients when working on a long piece. I don't know? Rock on women.

[Giant Hamster]

No one's better than anyone because of their gender...there are just good artists and shitty artists.

[jasonN]

Well, to me it seems like more women like art than men. At my art school the majority of students are women.

Last year I went to this art workshop and it was almost all girls. In 1999 I went to a 2 day workshop and pretty much all of the people there were girls (except me and one or two others).

But hey, I'm not complaining

[wigin]

Actually.. I have a class in Art college right now about philosophy and art history ect.. And well to tell you the truth .. men are bette at techincal, mechanical drawing and just drawing in General( naturally that is. Im sure some women are really good too) . I'ss been prooven. Women are generally better at painting and handling paint and have alot of patience. Why do you think women did all the background paitings , character paintings on early disney movies?? And men did all the drawings/ animation..... Sure women can do the same but according to my teacher and his sources men can draw naturally better then women and women paint better... Go figures...

[travis travis]

weird subject. Can't really think of what to say. I mean it's one of those things you can speculate all over about but really we can't get a grasp on it. Maybe that half of human beings we have no problem seeing as our equal today haven't really been involved in the laying down of history and progress is just mind blowing. I mean today it's like, what's the hold up? Women can do anything they want. But to understand that in the context that most of the history of the species they haven't been able to do what they want is just odd isn't it? Although it might just be that there's nothing wrong with living life in the supportive/nurturing role as opposed to the risk taker, and hell that being 'womanly' is as worthwhile pursuit as anything in the 'manly' struggle

[balistic]

Men generally have better spatial (3D) reasoning, which is involved in sculpting, and in highly realistic painting. Women tend to be more pattern and color oriented.

Its a physiological difference in our brains, but a very weak one . . . easily overridden by social forces.

[nova]

It seems more women are into the fine arts than men..

Remember that there are a lot of types of art jobs or art hobbies. For commercial digital art, there are a lot more things involved in it than fine art. It's a lot more technical, and men seem to enjoy that aspect more than women. In art direction, there is a bit of leadership involved, and that's hardly important in fine arts. Also, don't forget that certain types of art go more with a light, emotional type of perception which seems to be more common in women.

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Men generally have better spatial (3D) reasoning, which is involved in sculpting, and in highly realistic painting. Women tend to be more pattern and color oriented.
Its a physiological difference in our brains, but a very weak one . . . easily overridden by social forces.

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Hey Ballistic, my art director guy mentioned that one time. It was while he was explaining perspecive to me.. women tend to draw flatter landscapes, use 'flatter' colors and have that kind of mentality, as opposed to guys who have more of that spatial menality thing going on. Maybe that's why there seems to be more women illustrating fruity landscapes than guys.

[Enayla]

It’s easy enough to see why there have been more famous men in art, in history, than women. Women have been suppressed for a good long while. It has nothing to do with talent, but a lot to do with the fact that women weren’t supposed to spend their time with such things. They were supposed to remain by the stove and pop out a couple of kids now and then.

The few females that actually had the time, and the encouragement, to draw, were usually ignored by the very male dominated art world. It has nothing to do with talent. I don’t think neither men nor women are more talented when it comes to art.

I can tell you, though, that it’s not become much better. In digital art, for instance... gods, I get so much crap. I get so many hatemails where I’m being called bitch, slut, and all of the above - a problem that most of the male artists I know have never encountered... but that more than a few of my female artist friends suffer to a degree. People don’t seem to like female artists. Female artists are seen as arrogant and haughty, for some reason.

I get called arrogant all the time though I’ve never really liked my own work.

Women get encouraged to draw when they’re little but they’re supposed to stop when they reach a certain age. It’s still like that. Not saying that I agree, but it’s the impression I get.

We’re not less talented than you are... it’s just a bit of a rough road to get through all the “women should be raising children, not wasting their time drawing” that you encounter. It’s easier these days - but imagine how it must have been back then...

[Sukhoi]

Seriously, Enayla? Do you get hatemail??!!
What the f*ck is that all about!!??

I'm utterly speechless....

Sukhoi

[klaivu]

Blasphemy ! You all know it's mr. Mullins who dominates !

( Enayla : weird and depressing - I remember Socar saying the same thing .. the same basket cases running aroung rampant ? Who is teaching these people to use the internet ?
The idiots will always be the majority .. depressing .. )

[Aura]

Honestly I doubt it has much to do with either male or female. I think it's more about patience, imagination, and creativity.

[Vesuvius]

I'm sorry to tell you arc, schizo is right, you're just inferior to a man. Maybe you should try your hand at cooking or interior design instead?

(j/k)

[-- Transcendent --]

Tell me you've never seen a painting, had a strong gut feeling about the gender of the artist, which turned out right ...

Frankly, this has happened so many times to me I just can't deny there's some fundamental difference between male/female art ... I can't comprehend it intellectually yet, but my intuition just tells me it exists.

[Nilwort]

http://www.tnielsen.com/

maybe the problem is that you are assuming most artists are male, there are probably a lot more female artists out there than you realize?


(edit) check out her biography section, lots of info about how she became an artist, I've seen her work all over, marvel masterpiece cards, comic books, magic cards, lot's of stuff

[ March 15, 2002: Message edited by: Nilwort ]

[Arc][Pello]

vesuviusim sorry to dissapoint you here, but i aint no female, sorry if i just dashed all your hopes and dreams

[WICKED]

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I can tell you, though, that it’s not become much better. In digital art, for instance... gods, I get so much crap. I get so many hatemails where I’m being called bitch, slut, and all of the above - a problem that most of the male artists I know have never encountered... but that more than a few of my female artist friends suffer to a degree. People don’t seem to like female artists. Female artists are seen as arrogant and haughty, for some reason.

Enayla I would have never guessed that because being female you would receive hate mail. You just opened my eyes to another side of art. I seriously would never think twice or care if it was painted by a female or male artist. You and Jezebel are some of the artist that impress me the most in this forum. I guess since males and females in my family have some sort of art background i was brought up a different way. My sister was even majoringing in acrylic painting. Hehe I wish she still lived with me so she could teach me some things. Well its sad to see that it still happens in this day in age.

If males have better 3d perspective does that make them better computer modelers and women better texture artist? just a thought.

[Duckman2]

I don't know, in my old high school I was the only guy who drew and painted in the entire school, the rest were girls. It seemed there was some kind of anti-art macho thing going on in my school so the opposite happened. I believe it depends more on social forces than a hard wired natural response. I went to the Met and saw some incredible paintings done by a female artist in the 15th century, her name was Artemisia, she could paint like nobodie's buissnes, so I'd have to agree with Enayla.

[roundeye]

ok, art, fine. but they all suck at comedy and thats a fact!

[Vesuvius]

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Originally posted by Arc][Pello:
vesuviusim sorry to dissapoint you here, but i aint no female, sorry if i just dashed all your hopes and dreams

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you did. Damn you to hell.

[Immy]

I am suprised to hear people say women artists are not as good as men. In my art school in the UK, men artists are the minority, and most of the teachers are female. Not that i am complaining or anything
From my experience, women have the potential to be just as good as men. If you dont believe me then check out my mothers paintings: http://www.barbaraoozeerally.co.uk/galleries.htm

[PixHortHiT]

Well, as far as I can tell there really IS a difference in male and female art, but what that difference is, is yet to be discovered.

And when it comes to who�s the best, its anyones guess......