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skullmonkeys
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hi? my name is jake kwon and im new member here. im a student in toronto canada with a dream of becoming a matte artist.
here is a sample of my work
http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/haibane/images/mountain4.jpg
this took me a week
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Al Ian
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:29 am |
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i can just see a sign "image hosted by anglefire".
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:16 am |
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Hi skullmonkeys and welcome! 
It was actually here before, the image that is!
Angelfire is crap.
Find another host!
I didnt have time to reply, when checking it out before.
But would like to do so now.
I have to say that your mountain image is awesome!
It had some errors though, which made it look less realistic at places.
If you would be able to get the image up here again, I would be more than happy to specify those errors.
You will become a matte artist with more of those in your portfolio mate!
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 5:59 am |
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| wow, that's pretty. |
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 9:26 am |
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thats beatiful man..
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allpetter
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 3:03 pm |
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What I really like about this piece is that the lighting makes sence.
I really dig the sharp mountain formation too!
Very moody!
Great work!
I don't know if I do dare to give any cunstructive critics on this one after all. Since it's a wonderfull piece of work!
But I seldom do this (giving cunstructive critics that is).
It's good practice. Guess that's why I'm writing! 
One thing that concernes me about the image is the way that some edges on shadow appear blurred.
I don't find the lightsource beeing low enough to make shadows appear blurred. Sharpen up them abit would give the whole thing "more rythm".
I also find it hard to find a spot to lock your eye on.
The eye for me is just reading beautiful shapes and shadow.
The headline reading (mountaion... Crater) makes me find the crater instantly when viewing the image.
But If you would have been writing "mountian" only, I'm not to sure I would spot a crater at first sight.
I would do something to make the crater appear abit more in focus.
A tad of reflection on teh ice would make the day.
It also appear abit to tilted for me.
Also, Ice is reflective which makes the inside of the crater appear brighter
I've been making a overpaint to illustrate my thoughts visually.
Then again, this is just one guy reading the image.
your version is far more moody than mine.
by the way, the use of colour is fantastic
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 3:16 pm |
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| thats awsome, those mountains own, and craters rule |
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skullmonkeys
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 3:25 pm |
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Wow.
Thanks a lot for your detailed critique allpetter. The composition of your alteration is really good. I hope you don't mind if I finish off my painting based on your advice.
The advice on making the shadows in the crater lighter due to the reflected light was spot on! I think it really helps my image.
Making some mountains blurry was an attempt to create deapth. Maybe it wasn't sucessful[?] The camera is pretty high up so I figured there would be more atmospheric fog in the distance. what do you think?
Also when I was working on my original piece the gradation of the sky bothered me a bit. It didn't look quite right. Since I haven't been working off of a reference I had a bit of trouble. Does anyone have an advice regarding the sky?
For the horizon distortion, It was supposed to be a pan shot from right to left. It was an attempt for me to create parrallex effect. When I did make the shot in a compositing program it wasn't very sucessful. The attempt to make a 3d form in a 3d program to project this as a texture didn't go too well either. I guess the proper workflow for this kind of thing is to make the 3d geometry first in a 3d program and then paint over it?
Again, thanks a lot for your advices. I lost interest in this piece for a while, but now I want to go back and fix some things. |
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 8:01 pm |
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Wow.
Thanks a lot for your detailed critique allpetter. The composition of your alteration is really good. |
Could not have done it without you! 
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I'd be honered.
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| Making some mountains blurry was an attempt to create deapth. Maybe it wasn't sucessful[?] The camera is pretty high up so I figured there would be more atmospheric fog in the distance. what do you think? |
Imho, I think one should be very carefull on when to use blur.
Blur to me is there to make something else appear in focus.
One should ignore blur and paint shapes in the bakground with minimum detail. Adding "atmospheric fog" would make this appear with more depth imo.
This I learned from Craig Mullins (Spooge demon here on sijun)
"To much detail blows the illusion".
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| Also when I was working on my original piece the gradation of the sky bothered me a bit. It didn't look quite right. Since I haven't been working off of a reference I had a bit of trouble. Does anyone have an advice regarding the sky? |
The sky is rather unimportant minding the composition imho.
I think you made a job well done with the choice of colour in your sky.
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| For the horizon distortion, It was supposed to be a pan shot from right to left. It was an attempt for me to create parrallex effect. When I did make the shot in a compositing program it wasn't very sucessful. The attempt to make a 3d form in a 3d program to project this as a texture didn't go too well either. I guess the proper workflow for this kind of thing is to make the 3d geometry first in a 3d program and then paint over it? |
Imo you achieved the horizon distortion very well.
Building up quick settings with a 3d software is a very good way to learn perspective. I've done it myself a couple of times.
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| Again, thanks a lot for your advices. I lost interest in this piece for a while, but now I want to go back and fix some things. |
You should definitely work with it, til it has your utmost satisfaction.
It's a great concept.
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