[Fred Flick Stone]

Hello juhis_r, I wanted to start by saying you have a very strong idea of where art comes from, and how important it is to learn technically. Always keep this frame of reference. It is a wise way of seeing what art is, and how it functions technically...

Part 6 was done by looking at the deeper value of the hues chosen, at the respectful value. That is, the yellow of the hut, as it rolls out of direct light into indirect tone, or more influenced on the surface by the ground values, then the yellow needs to lean more in a darker direction, a deeper value. Then, it is also influenced by the ground, which in this case has lots of green in it. SO the direction of the yellow vs. the light illuminating it, plus the influence of the reflective light on the surface equals what I chose as deeper tones. With the grass, since there is no direct influence of reflected light on it, I chose a darker value of the same green to dictate volumetric differences in forms.

It all sounds more technical to descibe than the actual process really is. It starts with some heavy duty info, but that translates quickly into the automatic actions the artist choses in delineating a form, a tone, an edge, etc.

And I thoroughly agree with you, clarity, and simplicity in description are so important. The forum has taught me this one in a big way...
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[juhis_r]

Hey Ron, thank you for your honoured comments. I'll try to keep that point in my fuzzy mind! I have noted that the more I learn and improve, the more I want to study and try to improve. It's an everlasting twirl.

Okay. Thanks about the report and deepening concerning the part 6. Ok. I understood that case now. I just thought how to carry out that case in practice. I done it by choosing hue values from the CUSTOM COLOR BOOK ( clicking color button -> clicking CUSTOM button and choosing different tones from the drop menu called "Book". ) Did you get my idea? I thought using that way my palette follows same tones... dunno.

Well, that's it. Nothing more at this time. The river get into the old rut again when my stream of consciousness swells again.. and now I get MORE to read because of you new tutorial..

- Juha
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[AndyT]

May I ...
Bump
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[Wayne Johnson]

I understand the exersize, I belive there is an important step that is skipped, The Value study to synthisize the image and simplify the image to emphisize the center of interest. Also the old woman could have been moved partly into the door way so you could get a point of maximum contrast in the center of interest and she would have been closer to the golden mean.


My point about using the photo and not even painting it is that the artist did not comment on anything just mearly mimicked the photo, in composition, and color almost exactly. Like using a PS filter, but taking much longer.

But if you used the photo for lighting referance (Loomis says "Do not try to fake the light.")and then done a value study reducing the pictue to three values and then Keying it High, Mid, Low, or full key and appling a Color scheme and sequence to inhance the mood and feel. Then you are not simply just making brush strokes but you are making art.

If I'm out of line I am sorry but I just want to bring the state of painting today to a higher level and I believe that Art should reveail a new truth or help remind us of an old one, not a relative truth but an absolute one, and it should speek to most of the people most of the time.

Painting dose this primarily by telling the truth about light striking form in space. Rembrandts Ox is a great example or his Man with the Golden Helmet.
see the discusion on Howard Pyle and Andrew Loomis.

Later

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[wayfinder]

how is this "using a reference" vs "copying a picture"?

or is there no difference to you guys? because there is to me..

(no judgement of the painting or tutorial implied, just asking)


edit: it's asked much more eloquently in the previous post
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[Wayne Johnson]

Fred Flik Stone

Let me know what you think?

Later
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[Wayne Johnson]

Fred Flik Stone

Let me know what you think?

Later
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[AndyT]

Fred Flick Stone hasn't been around lately!

[wayfinder_at_work]

AndyT, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with copying! My little pet peeve is that people call it painting from reference. I also do not enjoy people calling sketches concepts, it's just a matter of precision in expressing yourself.

[AndyT]

I totally envy people who can say precisely what they want to say.

It's not easy if you had to learn English the hard way though.
Somehow I think you might be a little extreme in this respect
I'd like to hear more opinions ...
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[jr]

what about this wayne, does this pass your art test? or does it get a ng for no good? art sticker star?

ron, this tut must be included in this thread!
http://forums.sijun.com/viewtopic.php?t=31697
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[gp02000]

Amazing :shock:

Thanks deeply

[fredflcikstone]

Hey Wayne...I am not sure what you are asking, I read more statements than not. Here is something to keep in mind. What you are doing is learning. Learning requires that you do not invent...invention is the end result of all that we learned as an artist. Learning means to get to the root of the problem and disect it. In art its a gestalt, that is a plethora of information that is required to pull the brush stroke and make it right.

What I dont think you see is this tutorial, and all the others I give, are exercises. They are teaching tools so you can do things right. Copying a photo from the ground up requires that you understand how to draw from life to figure out how to enhance the deficits, and or, of the photo reference is good, copying it and understanding the parts and pieces that make it good to begin with.

It is an exercise. You stick with what is absolute in an exercise, unless it is told in the exercise to deviate from reality. Once you understand what it is that you are doing from controlled exercises, then you are free to create art, and back up what you do with why you did it, and there is meaning to why, not, I dunno, it just looks good...

Does this answer your question or did I miss the point?

ROn