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Edge junior member
Member # Joined: 31 Oct 1999 Posts: 39
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:47 am |
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Has anyone seen Dhabih's tutorial on digital painting? I tried his dodge and burn technique and I get spots showing up even though my exposure is low like 5-10%. Just in general how do you get that smooth transtion or gradient from dark to midtones or midtones to bright white. You can see it in his work and I know he uses dodge and burn but it just gets splotchy for me. I also tried applying color with a round soft brush in photoshop and then smudging. Problem is the color I apply looks marker like and the smudge doesnt fully blend it. Any suggestions or tips? Thanks all. |
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Mikko K member
Member # Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Posts: 639
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:59 am |
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Uh, sounds like you are doing things in that damned way I did some five years ago. Don't rely on additive/multiplicative color like dodge and burn, because they will just complicate things so much.
I strongly suggest you try to hand pick colors, and mostly use normal type layers. I always used to make the problem about "what tools to use" instead of focusing on the picture, and it sounds like you're dealing with the same problem. Focus on what you want to do, not how to do it. Yeah, it takes time to learn your own digital style of working, but it's worth the practise. |
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Edge junior member
Member # Joined: 31 Oct 1999 Posts: 39
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:26 am |
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Hmm, I guess you are right. So would you say that most of the work we see on this board and others like conceptart.org dont use manipulative tools like dodge and burn? Does dhabih even use it in recent work? What about opacity, I see alot of artists messing with the levels on that. Is there any rule or technique to that? |
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bjotto member
Member # Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 97 Location: stockholm, sweden
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:38 am |
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opacity is just a way of blending colours, nothing wrong there. Dodge and burn can be used, but you won't learn much from it. I think it�s good to learn how to paint with just the basic stuff, eyecandy can allways be added later.t |
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Impaler member
Member # Joined: 02 Dec 1999 Posts: 1560 Location: Albuquerque.NewMexico.USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:17 pm |
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Dodge and burn is so 1997. You want multiply and screen.
Dhabih said long ago that he's stopped using dodge and burn, and instead switched to a more painterly approach mentioned by Mikko and epitomized by Craig Mullins. You would do well to attempt the same thing.
But enough soapboxes for me. There is no shortcut to learning how to paint digitally. I could tell you to use a 35% opacity paintbrush set to multiply to paint earth tones, but unless you have a solid familiarity with how the brushes work under your own hands, you're just going to end up with a bunch of featherbrushed ugliness.
So, learn Photoshop from your own experimentation. Make it your bitch. It takes time, effort and frustration, but it's worth it. _________________ QED, sort of. |
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Mon member
Member # Joined: 05 Sep 2002 Posts: 593 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:33 pm |
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Impaler wrote: |
Make it your bitch. |
Amen to that. _________________ www.mattiassnygg.com
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Mikko K member
Member # Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Posts: 639
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:11 am |
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So would you say that most of the work we see on this board and others like conceptart.org dont use manipulative tools like dodge and burn? |
I obviously don't know how people ultimately do their stuff, but that is not the point. I think that the majority of "good stuff" (stupid term) comes from people who know the program and use lots of different tools but whose ideas do not depend on those tools.
It's very much ok to use dodge/burn but if that's your only approach, you're in trouble imo. Traditional painting skill is probably the best thing digital artist can have, and I'm only begininning to realise that as my background is in pixeled old school graphics. I feel I was too long in that position where I was struggling with those multiply layers, and my works become better just by letting go of that difficult method.
edit: This is just my personal experience and others may have totally different approaches. Experiment and do not limit yourself to think "no dodge anymore" 'cause it may come handy in some situation. |
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eyewoo member
Member # Joined: 23 Jun 2001 Posts: 2662 Location: Carbondale, CO
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:34 am |
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A computer is not a traditional painting tool. There has never been anything like it in the history of art. It is a new medium. Being painterly is a good goal, but when using the digital medium, that doesn't necessarily mean working in a traditional painterly way. For gradients, check out how to use the selection tool and layers.
1) The object, on its own layer...
2) make a selection with the seletion tool.
3) Use Ctrl-J to bump the selected area onto its own layer and darken it.
4) Use the erase brush at a very low opacity to erase part of the darkened layer.
This method works particularly well on a textured object.
When using a textured erase brush, a nice texture can also be added to the darkened layer as it is erased.
For highlights, do the same thing, but lighten the new layer rather than darken it. _________________ HonePie.com
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jfrancis member
Member # Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 443 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:46 am |
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This relates a bit to the discussion on layers |
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PhatTexta member
Member # Joined: 16 Oct 2001 Posts: 140 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:15 pm |
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Mon wrote: |
Impaler wrote: |
Make it your bitch. |
Amen to that. |
Amen to that. |
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Drew member
Member # Joined: 14 Jan 2002 Posts: 495 Location: Atlanta, GA, US
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 10:31 am |
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Edge wrote: |
it just gets splotchy for me. |
Is it getting splotchy because you're using small brushes and scribbling all over, trying to get the right look? You might want to try using as large a brush as possible, and going over an area with as few strokes as possible. |
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Edge junior member
Member # Joined: 31 Oct 1999 Posts: 39
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 5:32 pm |
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Thanks for the info everyone. I am going to try some of the tips here, mainly layers and avoid forcing the use of dodge and burn as a primary shading tool. Eyewoo, I'm wondering if you can do your technique in reverse by painting at a low opacity a broad darker tone then gradually using a smaller brush paint a darker stroke where the light doesnt hit? And Drew yeah I been using a smaller brush I am trying a larger brush on a very very light opacity and it does help. Seriously though thanks for the info, Being kind of new to this I thought what Dhabih had in his tutorial was a very common way of painting. Im looking at digital painting from a different persepective now. |
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Warhead82 member
Member # Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 210 Location: Canada B.C
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 9:20 pm |
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Stay away from burn and dodge!! _________________ When you look at a blank canvas or drawing paper, it stares you in the eyes and thinks it can beat you.~ Justin Beckett |
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