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I've been working on a tutorial today and I really need some input:
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There's no need to kick my ass about the layout or the fact that it's html exported from Word.. I can kick my own ass about that.
Other than that, please give me your comments! Is it too much/too little? Spelling? Does it make sense?
Please help! 
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:07 pm |
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Just what the doctor ordered! Excellent work! If you could do this with each of your pieces you would have a book on your hands or a ton of traffic going to your site!  Thanks for sharing!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:56 pm |
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| Beautifully written and beautifully timed, too. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:34 pm |
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| Actually, thats really nice, simple, I like it, im going to read it. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:38 pm |
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| That tutorial is one of the best I've ever seen, seriously. You could definetely make a book. I especially loved this bit "It�s also good to beat the piece up a bit, to show who�s in charge. You can�t let it run you, you must run it. Kill your darlings." Not to mention the final image is incredible. Thanks a lot for making this. I hope you can do more of them. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:12 am |
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Thanks guys!! So you think it ok as it is then?
It was a lot of fun writing it, I actually learned a lot =) It's not every day you sit down and try to analyze your own choices in a piece, a bit like reverse-engineering your own work.
Hopefully I'll have time for more. Have to do some real work though, nasty deadlines coming up..
thanks again!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:43 am |
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A good read and good work. Thanks for this.
Phil
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:52 am |
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A good read, thanks for sharing. Some suggestions...
#1- You mention the Golden cut. Many newbs won't know what you're referring to, how about explaining or adding a link to an explanation?
#3-You tell us that there's a good reason for adding the red, but you don't tell us. So frustrasting! I want to know your reasoning, please tell.
#5- Spelled rhythm wrong. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:14 am |
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Gee, I was going to reply here yesterday but somehow, I forgot.. 
Based upon the content - number of steps, progesssion, explainations - I think it's incredible!
However, you metion that you usually don't start with a sketch. Very intriguing... I would love to see what your first step looks like next time you show your process.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:47 pm |
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Hi,
Note added after the fact: I really enjoyed reading this very good tutorial and liked it so much that I felt it was worth a little time to read through it more carefully to catch things that could be explained more clearly, inaccurate use of terms, and typos. Knowing myself as I do, there are no doubt some typos added in my review of your tutorial, so please take this all with that understanding in mind and use what seems helpful. You may or may not want to be terribly software specific but it will still help the reader to have some more understanding of certain things like the characteristics of a certain brush variant, for instance. Then they can apply that knowledge to whatever software they're using.
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Reading through your tutorial, here's what I found:
Step 1
In the sentence that reads...
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I used the B2 Pencil brush in Painter, looks a lot like a real pencil.
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You might want to change it to say...
I used the Pencils' 2B Pencil variant in Painter, looks a lot like a real pencil.
(This helps the Painter user to find the brush variant, both because it gives the brush category name and because the brush variant name is correct. Before, 2 and B were transposed to say B2 instead of 2B.)
Do, as someone else suggested, explain "golden cut".. the Golden Mean, Golden Section, Devine Section, etc. at least briefly, maybe with links to pages on the web that go into it in more detail.
Step 2
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I created a new layer, and set the composite method to �Gel� (but �multiply� will do just fine for you photoshop users).
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Photoshop is a proper name and should be typed with initial caps (first letter capitalized) as is Multiply a proper name, so you might want to change this sentence to read...
I created a new layer, and set the composite method to �Gel� (but �Multiply� will do just fine for you Photoshop users).
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Then I used a round brush and added some color, very simple areas of light and dark.
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Since, in Painter, "brush" refers to the brush category, and a brush category can contain brush variants that are round, flat, or based on an image for their dab shape, it's always better to refer to it instead as a brush variant. Also, it might be helpful to describe the brush variant's characteristics a little. For instance, Soft Cover, Hard Cover, Grainy, blending characteristics (or not), Opacity Expression: Pressure, Size Expression: Pressure, and so on. Looking at your demo image, I would guess it was a Soft Cover variant with either blending characteristics or Opacity Expression: Pressure, maybe both? That's where a lot of new users get stuck, finding the right brush variant or at least understanding the characteristics so they can create their own by making setting adjustments.
Step 3
As opposed to Photoshop where there is more than one "tool" related to drawing and painting, in Painter, there's only one "tool" related to painting...
the Brush tool found in the Tools palette.
No other tool is used to do pixel based drawing and painting. What can change is the brush variant chosen by the user. Again, indicating the brush category as well as the brush variant name is helpful and when indicating either, since they're proper names, they should be typed with initial caps. In the following sentence...
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I used various tools for this, mainly Variable Flat and some dry media brushes.
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You might want to change it to read...
If you were using Painter 8:
I used several brush variants for this, mainly the Oils' Variable Flat variant and some Dry Media variants.
If you were using Painter 7:
I used several brush variants for this, mainly the Brushes' Variable Flat variant and some Dry Media variants.
Step 4
In Painter, since Layers set to Composite Methods other than Default cannot be Grouped and Collapsed (merged) and, again, in this sentence there is misuse (in Painter) of the term "tools", it may be misleading and therefore confusing to the new user to read...
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I flattened the image to a single layer, and went to work on it with lots of different tools.
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You might want to change this sentence to read...
I dropped the Layers to the Canvas, and went to work on it with lots of different brush variants.
In Painter 8 there are several Palette Knives' brush variants and there are more Palette Knife variants found in the Impasto category. In Painter 7 there is also more than one Palette Knife variant (in the Brushes category and in the Impasto category).
In the sentence that reads...
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The Palette Knife is great for modelling shapes, I can strongly recommend it.
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It might be good to change this sentence to indicate both the brush category name and the specific brush variant name (see also corrected spelling of the word "modeling" and the break of this one sentence into two sentences)....
If you were using Painter 8:
The Palette Knives' (insert the specific brush variant name) is great for modeling shapes. I can strongly recommend it.
If you were using Painter 7:
The Brushes' Palette Knife is great for modeling shapes. I can strongly recommend it.
There's a typo ("misstakes") in the sentence that reads....
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It helps you to spot your own misstakes, and to get a fresh look at what you�re doing.
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It should read....
It helps you to spot your own mistakes, and to get a fresh look at what you�re doing.
There's a typo ("neccesarily") in the sentence that reads....
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Not neccesarily a bad thing, but it can be quite annoying.
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It should read....
Not necessarily a bad thing, but it can be quite annoying.
In the sentence that reads...
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There are lots of tools in play here, crayons, brushes etc.
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Again, the use of "tools" is inappropriate here (for Painter). In this case, you're referring to brush categories, not specific brush variants, so using the term "brush categories" is appropriate. Brush category names are proper names and should be typed with initial caps. It would be more clear if you changed this sentence to read...
There are lots of brush categories in play here, Crayons, Brushes etc.
Following the sentence that reads...
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A rough material is best painted with a rough brush, or that�s the general idea.
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You might want to explain a little what "a rough brush" is. It might be, for instance, a brush variant for which the Subcategory name contains the word "Grainy". In other words, that brush variant will interact with the currently chosen Paper and you'll see Paper texture when you paint with it. It might also be, for instance, a Captured Dab brush variant for which the brush dab is based on an image. If the image on which the Captured Dab variant is based has a raggedy edge, it will paint with raggedy, rough edges.
Step 5
In the sentence that reads....
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Now it reads a lot better, with added focus to the head and better variation of leves.
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I'm not sure what that last word is... "leves". ????
In the sentence that reads...
The word is spelled rhythm, not "rhytm".
The paragraph that reads (includes some typo's)...
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I also added a lot of detail, as well as removing other things. The trick is to keep you eye relaxed and allowing it to move freely over the piece. If you find you�re being drawn somwhere you�re not supposed to, you need to fix it. Working on the whole piece is the only solution to this, if you�re focusing too much on one part you�re gonna have a hard time making the picture work. Always move your focus and work on the thing that looks the worst at the moment. The selections you make will bring definition to some areas and keep others rough and alive. This way you direct and control the attention of the viewers eye.
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You might want to change it to read (I've fixed the typo's "you" to "your", "somwhere" to "somewhere", and added the word "drawn")...
I also added a lot of detail, as well as removing other things. The trick is to keep your eye relaxed and allowing it to move freely over the piece. If you find you�re being drawn somewhere you�re not supposed to be drawn, you need to fix it. Working on the whole piece is the only solution to this, if you�re focusing too much on one part you�re gonna have a hard time making the picture work. Always move your focus and work on the thing that looks the worst at the moment. The selections you make will bring definition to some areas and keep others rough and alive. This way you direct and control the attention of the viewers eye.
End of edits!
Again, this is a very nice tutorial and the image is interesting, with great textures. I like the kind of spooky, misty look around the bottom half, the mixture of depth and reflection. At first glance, this image looks simple, but it's not.. I keep wanting to look at it again.
Thanks for an enjoyable time.
Jinny Brown
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:27 pm |
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Phil> thanks, i'm glad you like it!
Drew> Great! thanks for helping out!
DJorgensen> hehe yeah I'm thinking about making another one quite soon =) have to work a bit too though 
Jinny> Wow! Thank you so much for taking your time to write! This is really helpful stuff, I'll get right on editing I see you're a pro at this, it was quite refreshing to get your input!
thanks!
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