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Just curious about what people are thinking.

[neff]

The question is much too easy dude...
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[Giant Hamster]

I haven't noticed any of the "bad" he's done.

Why? Well, I can still go to the store and buy soda. I get can nachos whenever I want. Pizza Parlors still deliver. Cars still operate. My computer still goes online. I can still make music. My back feels great. Girls hug me. Porn still exists. Nectarines are godly. Steak is cheap. I can give dollars to the homless and they appreciate it. My parents are alive. My friends are good. The house I'm in has a roof. I just ate a bag of mini-oreos.

I can walk to school and I only have to take music courses. I own a grand piano. my headphones rule. Our cat is fuzzy.

I don't see anything wrong. Hasn't affected me at all.

[Impaler]

Jamez is right.

Despite all of the suddenly enlightened social activists moaning about civil rights and imperialistic oil crusadws over the past two years, Bush's presidency has been politics as usual.

Sure, the executive cabinet is composed of the closest thing to a monarchy that America has seen since the 1700's, and two overseas wars in four years with less than desirable results are hardly worth bragging about, but what do you expect?

In fact, I put the challenge out to anyone to name a president who didn't trample the constitution, wage war without cause or ignore pressing domestic issues.

Bush isn't a bad president; he's a good politician.
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[[Shizo]]

Y'all is wack. Bush sux0rz.

[neff]

hey, thats not patriotic! shame on you, you you... anti-american!
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[[Shizo]]

I think that all countries are good and bad. For the simple fact that people make up the countries, and as you know there are good and bad people everywhere.
Being patriotic is like being religious, in my opinion. Shouting, standing up, disrespecting, and wasting energy in other ways for something that doesn't matter, or doesn't exist.

SHOUT AT ME BABY.

PS: i'm not really serous, cause it doesn't matter.

[Spuds]

[[Shizo]]

^^^ typical misguided american. No offence

[neff]

The americans killed much more thousand civillians in afghanistan, iraq etc than terrorists killed on 9-11.
You should read Michael Moore's Books - I agree with his opinion.

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[watmough]

word...moore is right ,but bush is typical capitalist leader,figurehead of the rich ruling elite,its not like a democrat would be any different

[Impaler]

Nah, Moore's a blowhard. Half of the stuff in his books, although well-researched, is pathologically left field. You know, cry your heart out for the poor, retarded and black. Try reading Al Franken.

You see, that's why the Republicans still have sway over half of America. The most vocal activist for liberal America is a fat, unshaven Queer Eye for the Straight Guy dream project. Republicans have Ann Coulter (she's awfully cute). They're so damned professional on the right.

But, anyways, about the war stuff.

[Spuds]

You have to remember, were letting the opium grow Thats basically Afghanistans economy until we leave them with something. Yes, Iraq was based on basically bullshit to go take him out. Not that I disagree with it.

[[Shizo]]

Y'all is wack once again. In America, an average Joe will always believe in what he sees on TV. And whoever controls TV, controls what the average people believe in. I remember clearly how i was sitting in cafeteria soon after 9/11 and most people were so angry! lol. My boss was all mad and almost yelled at me for disagreeing. He said something like "We gonna bomb all those turban heads!! We gonna kill everyone who's against us!" and i was like "who are you gonna bomb?" and he recited basically President's speech that was on TV a few minutes ago.

Now.. i sit in cafeteria, and notice how G.Bush comes on TV with his speech. It was funny to see some people moan and groan "yeah.. what is he gonna lie about this time?" hilareous.

Actually i am wrong. My main philosophy is that there are no countries, but there are people. And so, i'm sure at this time most countries act the same. Whoever controls news, controls people's minds. Wait.. this was like this at ALL times! haha.

life is like universe.. you'll keep trying to understand it, but never will.

[A-13]

I'm not going to claim to know much about the issues and stuff, but I do have a good reason to dislike Bush. I read something that quoted him saying something along the lines of "I don't think Athiests should really be considered citizens of the United States." He claimed that since we are a "nation under God", one must be religious to be considered American. I think that's bull- being an Athiest myself. I'm offended, and I think I should be able to live here with citizenship without critisism- especially since we're in the age of being so politically correct and accepting of each other's differences.
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[[Shizo]]

[Giant Hamster]

Catholicism gives me diarrhea.

[A-13]

Glad to see that people agree with me. The first rule of religion is no preaching allowed. Sorta like Fight Club- Don't talk about religion...and so forth.
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[Gort]

[neff]

yeah, nice. theres a own homepage for the bodycount:

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Beside this, the most german news talking about ~4700 civilians deaths.
And yes, these are definitly more than 3000.

[Gort]

[Gort]

Oh and one more thing, Neff:

Have you seen the website www.howmanyiraqisdidsaddamtorturemainandkill.com?

Apparently it's not live yet.

What about the one dedicated to the Kurds that were gassed?

And the one about the Iraqi civilians being killed by Iraqi and outside Arab insurgents?
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"You can't stop the waves but you can learn to surf" - Jack Kornfield

[bjotto]

yeah, saddam was evil, but that doesn't make it ok to attack iraq without un's support, to suddely get the idea to attack because they aren't following a 12 year old resoultion isn't good enough

and i really don't think neff compared bush with hitler he just said that allmost every leader cares about national security, including hitler and maybe also saddam

and bush should check his sources to

and why attack iraq, if you want to destroy a threat to the world peace when you can attack north korea for example

and you might not want too trust any of what I said because it's based on a combination between swedish news and bbc

blablabla

[neff]

thx bjotto, i think my english was too bad too express it in those clear words...
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[Giant Hamster]

didn't like...

Russia(read: Shizo with a Roland 808 :P) a while ago try taking over the planet(same thing we do every night, pinskykov)...and like, they were attacking afganistan or some crap like that...and the USA sent afganistan some stinger missiles and crap to defend themselves with...and uhh...like...stopped the soviets from taking over that little piece of land...and uhh...like that's where osama bin laden is from...and then they attacked the USA...and now the USA is like, "you know what, fuck this you ungrateful bastards." and is kicking the entire countries ass because they just seem to suck over there?

something like that? probably mixed up a bit and backwards, but just what I remember.

If I were president I wouldn't have bothered sending soilders over there, I would have just told everyone surrounding that area to duck-n-cover, then nuke the offending location.

[Gort]

Just so you know, read these carefully:

UN Resolution 678
UN Resolution 687
UN Resolution 1441

Resolution 687, passed in 1991, is the centerpiece here. This is the resolution passed after the United States had liberated Kuwait and while our troops were poised to advance to Baghdad to take care of business with Saddam. Saddam agreed to a plan whereby he would surrender or destroy all weapons of mass destruction, and all implements, machinery and whatnot associated with those weapons programs, forthwith. Saddam's first obligation under Resolution 687 was to provide the UN with a "declaration on the locations, amounts and types of all (WMDs) and agree to urgent, on-site inspection(s)" as specified in the resolution.

Saddam's deadline under 687 was fifteen days. He didn't make it. In fact, in 2002 ... about 4000 days past his 15-day deadline, the United Nations Security Council passed Resolution 1441 putting Saddam on super-secret probation and giving him one last chance to do what he was supposed to do eleven years earlier.

Wait! I forgot Resolution 678! Forgive me! Resolution 678, you see, is specifically incorporated into both Resolutions 687 and 1441 by reference. Resolution 678 was passed in 1990, after Saddam invaded Kuwait. This resolution told Saddam to get the hell out, and authorized "Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait ... to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area." (Resolution 660 merely demanded that Iraq withdraw from Kuwait. Iraq didn't. George H.W. Bush made him.) So you can see that under Resolution 678 the United States, a Member State of the United Nations, has the authority under that resolution, and under 687 and 1441 to kick Saddam to the curb.

Thus endeth all claims that the United States violated international law by invading Iraq. We weren't violating international law, we were enforcing it.

[[Shizo]]

First of all, i'm not "Shizo with Roland 808." I am "Shizo with Vostok" :0

And second of all.. y'all is still wack as hell!

[Gort]

[[Shizo]]

one.

[Heavily Armed Orange]