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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 4:12 pm     Reply with quote
A dual panel portrait of a mime (undercurrents of abuse)



The left panel ... and a detail

The right panel ... and a detail
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 5:03 pm     Reply with quote
Excellent! I think looking at the detail shots made me think even higher of these. I'd love to see it in print.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:12 pm     Reply with quote
very cool Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 10:03 pm     Reply with quote
Spooky! It's weird though... I don't think I would have liked it as much if I didn't read your comment first. And I wouldn't get the theme if you didn't mention it....

maybe a clearer title?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 6:39 pm     Reply with quote
One person wondered what the stuff was that the left panel person was putting on her face and another thought she was scratching herself abusively. It's hard to get a point across... This is about hiding physical abuse, but not self abuse.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 9:57 pm     Reply with quote
I thought it was pretty obvious, myself. I'm not usuall too fond of your pieces (which says nothing of their quality...they're just not my cup of tea, style wise), but I really enjoy this.

Take that how you will. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:09 am     Reply with quote
me likes the right one, great feeling
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:37 pm     Reply with quote
I made some changes to the left panel. I think it works better.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:11 am     Reply with quote
Makes me think of Chagall for some reason. Very beautiful. I'm not quite sure of the background though, I've seen you do it a lot of times before, this blending of (seemingly?) photographic elements with painted figures. It can work like a miracle, but in this one I think that the leap from background to foreground is too big. What is the reason for using this technique?

Anyway it's good to see you tackle serious and difficult subjects, I believe you've done it quite well.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 5:22 am     Reply with quote
Chagall... Well... his work is one of my A-list inspirations Smile

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this blending of (seemingly?) photographic elements with painted figures. It can work like a miracle, but in this one I think that the leap from background to foreground is too big. What is the reason for using this technique?


The reason is not very earth shattering... I simply love working with both elements. The accidents of working with photo manipulation always astound me and I love digital painting.... so I'm trying to put the two togther. I'm getting better at it (I think).

I like the way the background and foreground work in this picture. It gets at what I'm trying to do.... It might help to see a full-scale detail...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 2:19 am     Reply with quote
Thanks for the close-up eyewoo, it really helped Smile I can see how the different elements work together at this level, I'm sure it looks really cool in print.

I had one question for you though, seeing as you use a lot of filters, effects and cg-heavy elements... This doesn't necessarily apply to this particular piece, I'm sure that your choices are all worked-through and felt-through. But do you feel that this method or approach gets you closer to the subject? I'm not trying to put you down or anything, I have great respect for your work and your creativity, that's why I'd like to hear your opinion on this.

The way I see it, filters and CG-effects often end up putting a distance between the viewer and the subject, or between the artist and the subject for that matter. Like working on the piece at arms length, not really getting into it and fighting out all the difficult choices, and ultimately not being fully present in the artwork. This strikes me as the danger of working in a medium as forgiving as digital painting.

um.. Am I making any sense here? I'd really like your views on this, because this is something I've been struggling with.

cheers!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 6:16 am     Reply with quote
Mon...

Thanks for the opportunity to answer the question Smile

I once built a professional recording studio (16 analog tracks in the early 1970's) for my audio work. I found a deal on some formica for the counter tops toward the back of the control room. The formica had a wood grain pattern on it, but it was cheap, so I bought it. When the studio was done, a friend came in and got quite incensed over the fake wood grain formica. He said formica is a new medium that should be used in ways that only it's character can offer - to take a new medium and try to replicate older mediums is just poor judgement. He was serious.

I use Photoshop rather than Painter for pretty much all I do digitally. What I like about Photoshop is that it was designed for the new media - photography. What I dislike about Painter is that it was designed to replicate an older media - traditional painting.

Over the last 40 years, I've worked in many media from plastics, through traditional oil paint, pastels, acrylics, pencils... to audio and musique concrete. With each media I share my ideas and concepts with the media's particular characteristics or personality. Perhaps the most difficult one to work with has been digital, because it offers sooooo many characteristics - it truly has multiple-personalities, so I am still seeking the features of the tool that work best with my own personality. Clearly one of digital's most prominant aspects is it's ability to manipulate shape and color via adjustment tools and filters. Those are the aspects of the tool that I am exploring and grappling with and where I see its strengths as a creative tool.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:29 am     Reply with quote
Hey, it's nice to hear your view on this. I see your point, and I think a lot of interesting things can come out of your approach.

I'm still stuck with my kind of 15,000BC cave-painting take on art. "the handmade mark" and all that Smile I appreciate your efforts however, and I'm looking forward to see what else comes out of it!

Are you familiar with the art of Dave McKean?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:17 am     Reply with quote
Mon wrote:
Are you familiar with the art of Dave McKean?


I am now.... Thanks for pointing his work out. I've seen it before, but never all at once on a website (Yeah for Google)
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