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Vesuvius · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 7:38 am

"no, I never said YOU CAN'T THINK THAT or YOU CAN'T SHARE THAT.
I said it makes no sense and is cruel and senseless. that's not facist you dumbfuck.
Yeah, you said something along the lines of "HEY YOU NAZI SKINHEAD REPUBLICAN EVIL SKINHEAD MAN! YOUR IDEALS ARE INVALID BECAUSE THEY DONT FIT TO ME AND MY CONFORMIST VALUES!THEREFORE YOU ARE CRUEL AND YOU NEVER MAKE ANY SENSE! YOU SHOULD DIE! WE SHOULD PUT YOU TO DEATH FOR HAVING DIFFERENT IDEALS THAN ME!" Well, sieg hiel mein furer! "

is his quote, responding to me. I never said nazi, never said skinhead, never said republican either. I didn't say all of his thought was invalid, although I do say it is close-minded and ill conceived, and that he refuses to view the other side as anything other than human trash that pretty much deserves death. I didn't say he should be put to death, I said he should read and learn. and liberalism is the opposite of fascist 'hitlerite' belief, which denies freedom of speech, personal rights, human rights, and allows for condemnation and murder of people because they are different. Which, although I never said anything of the sort in my earlier statements, is a shitload like what biseor repeatedly suggests we do to people in his many videos. and as for those who say "YOU ARE NOT OPEN MINDED YOU ARE SAYING CENSOR CENSOR" well if people shut up and allowed biseor to have his way then a far greater amount of thought would be closed for far less. and I didn't say censor, I didn't even say remove his post, what I said was I didn't like it and it was ignorant. SO FUCKING READ WHAT I SAY YOU MORONS! I mean goddamn, you put the words from your own mouths into your opponents, you are blind and hypocritical. and liberal belief to me has more to do with giving people the benefit of the doubt, protecting all humanity and conscious life, valuing thought and emotion, and not infringing on the rights of others - which although my criticism my be unwelcome, it does not do (it doesn't say YOU CAN'T) whereas the statements biseor and his posse makes say that his opponents cannot complain and cannot even BE- that they deserve to die. I would have no problem with him posting if he allowed people to criticize and have dialogue in an open manner, and if his thoughts were backed by ANY rational logic, but as his statements are about silencing and killing (not only in his most recent piece) and as he has no willingness to think about what he says, I would PERSONALLY ban him, if it were MY DECISION, which it is not.

now to the other problem- people saying "it's nothing compared to southpark" southpark has (no matter how low-brow at times) humor and irony, biseors piece is about killing hundreds of people for no justification and feeling smug in doing so. the only similarity is that they are both animated. GROW THE FUCK UP AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU SAY! I'm getting pretty tired of people defending shit that is controversial and saying "well if it's controversial it must have deep meaning" look at the meaning then not the controversy and tell me the worthwhile message biseor is spewing out.

ceenda · member Member # Joined: 27 Jun 2000 Posts: 2030

I'll basically mirror something I said to someone else regarding this.

Are you so worried that people won't see him for what he is and make up their own minds that you need to write a post about this?

People deserve more credit than that.

Also, in our desperation to have a more tolerant society/community, we rigorously enforce rules designed to limit freedom of speech. We outrightly ban racism, sexism, bigotry rather than provide accurate arguments as to why these kinds of attitudes are unnacceptable.

People who post bigoted crap judge themselves more than any critic can.

[ February 19, 2002: Message edited by: ceenda ]

ceenda · member Member # Joined: 27 Jun 2000 Posts: 2030

Though banning him for disruption, is valid.

roundeye · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:36 am

heh heh banning, nobody gets banned here. anyways i like him, hes a funny guy. when he writes, its 15% his beliefs and 85% exageration. if you guys werent so easily riled up, it wouldnt be so amusing to him=) sometimes you people scare me. are all artists humourless hippies? they were at my art college, thats for sure.

kantide · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:48 am

I don't understand why everyone is getting so worked up by one post. Yeah, he's a moron, but if you ignore him, he'll go away.

Vesuvius · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:59 am

a.) it's not 1 post, he's done this a few times before.
b.) I'm not a humorless hippie, I'm just humorless. 20, don't drink, don't do drugs, don't have faith in humanity, the government, education establishments, pop culture, or the media. and probably the decline that the proceeding are in is what makes me humorless.

Vesuvius · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:03 am

quote:
Originally posted by ceenda:

People deserve more credit than that.

[ February 19, 2002: Message edited by: ceenda ]

no they don't.

we live in a world where 70% of the US thinks "AXIS OF EVIL" is accurate and 90% approve of our 4000+ civilian casualty actions in afghanistan, defining the fetus as a person, censoring the media, killing the environment (kyoto protocol) stepping up big military spending on things that don;t work, taking away personal privacy and planning to invade the phillipines and iraq.

humanity is stupid.

ariel sharon is as much of a warmonger as arafat. over 200 israeli soldiers have laid down their arms and testified to this. bush still buys into arafat's KILL KILL policies.

our buddy putin in russia is calling the chechens terrorists and justifying the atrocities, thefts, and kidnappings by russian soldiers there by saying WAR ON TERROR.

kantide · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:06 am

I also don't drink, don't do drugs, don't have faith in humanity, the government, education establishments, pop culture, or the media. Probably for differing reasons than you, because I'm pretty leftwing. I've been an outsider most of my life; you just have to learn not to let it get to you.

Vesuvius · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:08 am

I'm left wing. Liberal and civil libertarian.

balistic · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 1:59 pm

I'm a cartoon walrus!

Rat · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 5:17 pm

If you just ignore people, they get bored with you and go away. Don't let anything anyone says get to you, or you're no better than they are. If you respond to someone like that's negativity, you're giving them exactly what they want.

Basically: don't give them what they want. Fuck. You'd think someone'd have figured that out by now.

And while I'm ranting:

As far as I'm concerned, the rest of the human race is a bunch of pigheaded assholes constantly using and breaking other people to achieve their own pitiful ends. I'd be much happier if everyone else disappeared off the face of the earth and gave me some peace (not to mention control) in my life.

I don't give a damn if they ever catch bin Laden. It doesn't really matter any more, people are just using him as an excuse to keep killing people. They will probably never catch him because he's smarter than they are.

If something like the Twin Tower thing had happened in any other country, no one would care. The only reason they do now is because the States is the most powerful country in the world right now.

I'm gonna stop now. I'm sorry if my views are politically incorrect, but for the most part I believe they are true. People should look at Afghnistan's past. Maybe then I wouldn't sound so ignorant.

Jesus. How did a simple blab on how to get people to go away turn into such an opinionated speech?

If you openly disagree with me, I will excersise my right to ignore and will not respond.

Biseor · member Member # Joined: 10 Nov 2001 Posts: 62 Location: US

I would PERSONALLY ban him, if it were MY DECISION
I'm sure you would. You conformists just can't stand it when someone brings an opposing viewpoint.

roundeye · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 5:32 pm

quote

Quote:

If you just ignore people, they get bored with you and go away.

so do that with Vesuvius' angry, confused, misguided rants.

why would people do that with biseor? some people like his work. some people dont like it but allow him the privillage to have a differing oppinion, while others enjoy the drama that surrounds his art posts(i like drama, its like jenny jones haha). all in all, and for whatever reason, he has more punch than a lot of the drab/blah/mundane stuff i see here. its all entertainment, and its you guys that are playing a crucial role in its creation. blah, blah, blah etc....

Highfive · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 5:42 pm

No, us conformists can't stand it when we get radical, wild and ridiculous insults and demands to die horribly for critting your work.

[ February 19, 2002: Message edited by: Highfive ]

Rat · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 5:43 pm

Biseor: I agree. My views oppose most of the human race (if you read above, you might already know that).

Y'know, if Biseor and Vesuvius were in a room together, one of them would wind up stuffed in a cat carrier and mailed to Zimbabwe to overthrow their idiot president. We threatened to do that to the annoying kid in my class...

snarf · member Member # Joined: 20 Dec 2001 Posts: 155

Man, what great entertainment. Who wants popcorn?

travis travis · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 6:32 pm

good lord, I can't be bothered to read whatever this post is about, but the syntax most definitely looks like flame warring. I've got enough on my plate in the real world, this really makes my day to tune into a nice forum and see these sorts of things

Rat · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 6:36 pm

Hehe. I just needed to rant, but it looks like that's what it is.

But, Vesuvius, stop acting like an ass and take my advice.

Vesuvius · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 8:00 pm

I should stuff biseor in a cat carrier and mail him away

"You conformists just can't stand it when someone brings an opposing viewpoint" -biseor
conformist? is that an insult or an observation or what? in general I find that according to public opinion I'm sure not conformist (in the %10 minority) and is conforming supposed to be bad? if the idea is correct then it's a good thing to conform. an opposing viewpoint? YOU JOKE ABOUT KILLING PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT that's not an opposing view- that's justifying mass murder. sheesh.

and I'll read a reply but I'm not going to respond anymore, I wrote this thread just to get shit off my chest, I know that with no admins it just makes things worse to belabor this.

[ February 19, 2002: Message edited by: Vesuvius ]

Rat · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 8:10 pm

Not the cat carrier - the ignore and the other person will get bored.

bld · Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2002 9:07 pm

For someone you completley dislike, why are you talking about him. Ok... Religious Groups hated Marilyn Manson, bitched about him, got him lots of nasty media coverage, and made him bigger.

Geez, the way you rile him up isn't really him, its quite obvious... its all a show, a character he now plays the role of, and by pissing him off your making him more popular.

I like his stuff, its a joke, its sooo contradictory, ironic in the way it makes fun of the right wing as much as the left. Of course I look at porn, have pre-marital sex, and smoke ciggarettes, so I must be an evil left wing bastard. Might as well forget the rubbers, do coke, run around naked in public while smoking green herbed hand rolled "special" ciggys, go all out you know.

jome · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 5:12 am

I thought it was quite obvious biseor is an excellent comedian, ridiculing the conservative mindset, and well on his way to become a hype. And the fact that he doesn't compromise, is fantastic.
The goal of his site is to be thoughtprovoking, and the most biting satire I've seen in years.
And look! We're talking about it! Good! Everyone despises what he says. I'm sure he does too, but wants to make waves.
He's making trippy Flash-movies to get his message across! Hahah! A praiseworthily project, all in all. I was puzzled too at first, but this thread proves his stuff works.
People, let us make this world better, acting against the caricatural reactionist rightwing that is so brilliantly portrayed by our fellow comrade, biseor. Respect.

zaar · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 10:48 am

I read a Voltaire quote in a newspaper recently that might fit in here: "I may not agree with your opinion, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to hold it."

Highfive · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 7:28 pm

Come to think of it, wouldn't you think Biseor acts just like Spider Jerusalem?

Frozen Consciousness · member Member # Joined: 24 Jan 2001 Posts: 91

Who?

*ponders*
Why does everyone take themselves so seriously?

I remember something said by someone else on this forum some time ago (but I forget who... unfortunatly)

"'Freedom of speech' isn't 'Freedom to be a prick'*
(or something like that)

More to the point... who really gives a fuck what some guy (who we're unlikely to ever meet in the real world) says on a forum?

my two pence (which I know don't mean anything...)

klaivu · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:10 pm

http://www.biseor.com/features/aids/

Rat · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2002 2:04 pm

That was kinda interesting...

Leave him alone. His opinion. Respect it.

(Besides, it's a really good way to get rid of most of the stupid people in the world.)

Jezebel · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:19 am

Vesuvius - You get pissed off way too easily if you ask me. I've noticed that you're almost always one of the first people to jump into a flame way and put your 2 cents in. Just let it roll off your back, you know? Who cares? Eat a cookie and feel happy.