[RandyConrad]

Year: 2006 "Today in the news, scientist have finally found a humane way of extracting stem cells from a non-living host sources tell us...They say they have isolated a procedure that will allow for continous production of stem cells...."
Technically the woman and the fetus are brain dead therefor clinically dead thus a non-living host. The things we won't know in the name of medical science.


This is just a ROUGH sketch work in progress amd I thought I might be able to get tips on adding more drama.

[jr]

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[fukifino]

Hmm...pretty interesting (and frightening) concept.

While the flat table does give a sort of detached, clinical feel to the picture, I think it makes the whole drawing seem rather stiff, especially due to the pose she's in. Having her feet hanging off also seems really awkward, as does having her hands clamped down like that from above (besides..she's brain dead..is she gonna start beating up the machine?)

I'd suggest perhaps trying to rework her position..if you want to keep the clinical, sterile look of the piece, I'd suggest going with a flat slab and a standard posture of laying with her arms at her side. Or, depending on how outlandish you want to get, perhaps a semi-Matrix type of situation, maybe not as high tech as you want to keep it within the realm of posibility, but at least keep her in a suspended solution and give her life monitoring probes and some sort of feeding aparatus.

I know that womens breasts enlarge during pregnancy, but I think those don't look flat enough...too much like they're flopping over the side, rather than flattening out under the skin...although I suppose I've seen both effects. Might want to get some photo refs of some large breasted women laying down to see the variations in how they lay. This rendition looks a tad awkward.

Also, pregnant ladies extremities tend to swell a little too...her arms and legs look rather thin. Then again, she's a vege, so I suppose atrophy is to be expected...it's a hard line to get right, but the question is, how long has she been under? She looks pretty well along, and obviously couldn't have been dead before...ooh, I take that back. I guess a brain dead victim could be impregnated...nasty thought.

Anyways, I realize it's prelim, but her face looks like an alien too.

So, there's my advice. Take it or leave it.

[Freddio]

lol Jr,

yea just continue to sharpen it up. I also feel that the colours are to washed out. Instead of making the skin tones darker just by applying black, try and bring out warm highlights and cool shadows, or vice versa

good work though, interesting topic.
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[Drew]

[rwerner]

Frank Herbert's Dune. The Axtol Tanks. Better described by his son Brian Herbert in the prequel trilogy to Dune that he did.
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[RandyConrad]

fukfino: Thanks, yea...I did do a little planning but probably fall short in a few areas. Thanks for the advice about the position and clinical feel.

freddio: yea, forever still working on that though...I'm sure I'll get it soon with a little practice.

drew: whatever you say bud....I'm well read on both embryonic and adult stem cell research and in case you have forgotten, this is the realm of art which is an impression of the real deal threw the eyes of the artist. I personally believe there will be other ways to extract stem cells as already being researched by scientist. I'm just making a case against greedy medicine practices.

(moving on)

Yea, this lady was killed in a car accident when she was early in her pregnacy and they kept her alive because she had donated her body. She has been on life support for a few years, thus the distortion of the face and so on from not using the muscles. The baby wasn't actually that far along and the swelling is from heavy fluids. Scientist found a way to keep the baby from growing and extracts stems cells from both the mother and the baby. Anyway, still working on it because I have been gone for a week now.
Thanks for the comments

[Capt. Fred]

This is a trully revolting and sickening concept.

[Blind Tree Frog]

What's that line? Parts is Parts?

[ColdKodiak]

No wonder the scientists were reduced to shuch a retarted way of getting stem cells. Obviously their research center is heavily underfunded, they can't even afford walls.
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[Bottistik]

Im all about protest, but the fact is the only reason this thread has recieved some much attention is because of an idea. The painting is crap. If your going to use your art as a way of protest, than you have to be able to get an idea across. All i see is some pregnant woman (who obviously isnt in the early stages of pregnancy) with a stick coming out of her stomach. Now it is 2006 but i dont see any of the machinery that is used to keep someone alive, no ventilater, no iv drip. no nothing. So you may be an expert in stem cells, but you really do need to research how people are kept alive, along with what happens to the body when some is kept alive. An example. She looks tan to me, her skin would be much paler and more tanslucent. There would be no reason to constrain the hands since shes dead. Her legs would not be hanging off the table because the blood would gather there. So, theres a few things i think you need to look into. Good luck.

[RandyConrad]

Bottistik, your comment is not appreciated. This is a WIP that is posted for getting ideas and constructive critiques as I have gotten a few and these are appreciated. Typically, I wouldn't respond to a harsh comment like this, but I felt compelled this time. "The painting is crap"? At first I was offended at this rude and unappreciated statement but then I ventured to look for your art. If you were a great artist then I could go back and really rethink the whole painting. The ideas you've thrown out are already being worked into the picture and you shouldn't assume that just because you don't see things in an unfinished painting that it isn't going to be worked in in the final. As clearly stated in the first post, this is a rough sketch in hopes to get a few ideas for a better painting. A lot of this "technology" you refer to is built into the "stick" (that hasn't been defined beyond concept). If you are going to talk condescending to an artist and degrade his thread with a self-proclaimed superior knowledge of art and technology, please find someone else who is more accepting of your defamatory gibberish. I apprectiate the comments that are meant to help me develop a better painting. I like my painting and think it will be a lot better once finished.

[Tinusch]

Bottistik: The painting is not crap. It's actually very good. Your critiques are valid, but use a little tact.