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The Butcher
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Myself and a few friends of mine are going to build an online-RPG. We are looking for a good artist to spruce up the site, and do some nice art. There are no requirements, you're free to make whatever kind of art pleases you. There are different opportunities for you, and many make believe characters that are on the game. The characters images are up to your imagination, and we'd love to see what you could come up with. This is not a paid position, however, you can be rewarded in other ways. This is simply a chance for you to express your art and to gain recognition from our future players. If you are interested, here is how you can contact me:
AIM - Kochacola911
MSN - [email protected]
EMAIL - [email protected]
Any of those are fine with me. I am visiting quite a few of forums, so I can't guarantee that I will check for replies. Please contact me if you are the least bit interested, or to find out more about our project.
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bearsclover
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This sounds like a nice project and all that, but....
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| This is not a paid position, however, |
I apologize, The Butcher, I really do. But as soon as I saw your thread pop up, I knew it would be for no pay. I just KNEW.
Am I psychic or what?
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The Butcher
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:55 pm |
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| none of us are getting paid for our efforts. It's something to do for fun and hopefully to eventually turn it into something more. All of us are paying money for the actual server and domain costs, with no spare money to hire anyone just yet. I didn't think people would be looking for money, but that's ok. |
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bearsclover
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:59 pm |
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Hey, that's fine, The Butcher. Good luck to you on your project.
But if you only knew how often artists get approached for a "not for pay" project. It's so incredibly typical, that's all.
Either that, or I'm just psychic when I know that threads soliciting artists are invariably going to be "not for pay."
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Wren
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 7:00 pm |
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I'm not trying to be mean, but as a freelance artist, I see these kinds of "help me create my -insert dream here-" posts all the time. It's as though people think that because they call it "free"lancing, it means everyone can ask artists to work for free and that being part of the creative process should be payment enough. Simply put, it's not.
While it's fine to ask one of your friends to join you in your endeavors or do work as a favor and then offer them part of whatever proceeds you get, asking complete strangers to do that is, well...it's rude. Everyone has their own dreams and personal projects to chase, even artists. And to ask someone you don't even know to jump in on yours is really asking too much.
Even if you can only offer $10-$15 per drawing, you should at least be willing to pay something for the artists time and effort. If you truly mean to create a game, then you will be best off learning how to approach it professionally right from the start. And that means paying those who do work for you.
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The Butcher
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 7:09 pm |
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| Wren wrote: |
I'm not trying to be mean, but as a freelance artist, I see these kinds of "help me create my -insert dream here-" posts all the time. It's as though people think that because they call it "free"lancing, it means everyone can ask artists to work for free and that being part of the creative process should be payment enough. Simply put, it's not.
While it's fine to ask one of your friends to join you in your endeavors or do work as a favor and then offer them part of whatever proceeds you get, asking complete strangers to do that is, well...it's rude. Everyone has their own dreams and personal projects to chase, even artists. And to ask someone you don't even know to jump in on yours is really asking too much.
Even if you can only offer $10-$15 per drawing, you should at least be willing to pay something for the artists time and effort. If you truly mean to create a game, then you will be best off learning how to approach it professionally right from the start. And that means paying those who do work for you. |
Thank you for copying and pasting one of your previous posts. I don't expect anyone to jump at this offer, I was simply telling people that it's out there. I doubt it's everyday you get a chance to create art for a game. I didn't know if there were RPG'ers out here or not, and maybe they'd be happy for this opportunity. There's no reason to get all huffy about it, I wasn't expecting anyone to do it, I was asking if anyone was interested. |
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kimchi
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 7:42 pm |
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| I think what puts me off most is when people register only to silicate free artwork. You might actually stand a chance if you spent some time around here getting to know people, contributing, etc. Otherwise, it looks a little disingenuous. Of course, I can't speak for everyone. This is just how I personally feel about these types of posts. |
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Wren
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:07 pm |
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| Thank you for copying and pasting one of your previous posts. I don't expect anyone to jump at this offer, I was simply telling people that it's out there. I doubt it's everyday you get a chance to create art for a game. I didn't know if there were RPG'ers out here or not, and maybe they'd be happy for this opportunity. There's no reason to get all huffy about it, I wasn't expecting anyone to do it, I was asking if anyone was interested. |
I wasn't trying to be huffy or rude and i sincerely apologize if i came across that way. That certainly wasn't my intent. 
I'm afraid i'm just too lazy to keep typing the same thing over and over again.  I guess i should consider having more than one stock reply for days when we get multilple free art requests. 
As for having an opportunity to do game art, I am indeed an avid RP gamer and i love to help create art for new games, which is why i do it for a living. In fact, if you click on my signature image, you can view samples of my published work at my website. And should you like what you see and be interested in going about your game project in a professional manner by contracting an artist with very reasonable rates and an excellent turn around time, i would be more than happy to create any custom image you desire.
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bearsclover
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:41 pm |
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| Wren wrote: |
| I guess i should consider having more than one stock reply for days when we get multilple free art requests. |
Tell me about it.
This is kind of like saying to the tall person, "How's the weather up there?" It is old. It's been soooooooooo done. Artists are constantly getting hit up to do free art.
Put a fork in it. It is done.
You can't blame Wren for simply pasting out a canned answer to this excruciatingly typical and predictable request for freebie art. It kind of gets tiresome having to tell people over and over and over and over and over again that yeah, honest, we aren't all a-twitter with excitement over being hit up for freebie art. AGAIN.
This is no reflection on you, The Butcher, or your project (which I am sure is going to be very nice). It's just that you were kind of like the poor unlucky sod who came up to the tall person and asked, "How's the weather up there?" Sooner or later, the tall person gets sick of being asked that and may just tell you what they really think.
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Citizen Cow
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:28 am |
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I would like to add ( hahaha)
...that Sumaleth condones these posts. I know we all frown upon them for various reasons.
Suma stated some time ago that it should be viewed as an oppurtunity, monetary or not, and he would never discourage an oppurtunity.
Who knows? Maybe someone will work on it and have a good time, meet some good people and maybe develop a completely seperate oppurtunity or project from the contacts made. At the very least get some experience working with someone elses vision as most artists end up doing for $$.
Anywhoo, I would jump all over these posts for the same reason, "you only joined to post this?" " You offer no money for work that you will ultimately own" etc etc etc. But looking at it from Sumas point, I have less of a problem with these posts.
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Drew
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:45 pm |
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| The Butcher wrote: |
Thank you for copying and pasting one of your previous posts. I don't expect anyone to jump at this offer, I was simply telling people that it's out there. I doubt it's everyday you get a chance to create art for a game. I didn't know if there were RPG'ers out here or not, and maybe they'd be happy for this opportunity. There's no reason to get all huffy about it, I wasn't expecting anyone to do it, I was asking if anyone was interested. |
You imply above that the post is copied and pasted, meaning that you've already read a similar thread, so don't act surprised when you get similar responses. I think what you're missing is that it is indeed every day that all artists here can do work for an RPG. There are more RPG projects out there than it's possible to keep up with, some of which have been going on for years. And, as someone that followed one for several years, I know how difficult it is to find and retain artistic talent. If you want to talk about why that is, well, that's a whole other discussion. Good luck. |
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CwStone
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:08 pm |
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sry butcher, but i hafta agree with these guys up here. if u were offering maybe around 100$ for each drawing upfront then yea, me and others would prebably be sayin yes, but as it is, this (no offense) just looks like a waste of time.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:02 pm |
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I don't agree. These sorts of purely-for-fun projects are a great learning experience for artists with an interest in game development. It's rare that an artist can go straight into paying game development, so these projects are a fantastic way to develop ones skills.
I've worked on a lot of such projects myself. Money isn't everything.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:11 pm |
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I'll throw in my two cents: Personally, if I was better and wasn't current;y working on stuff for friends and family as favors, I'd jump at the opportunity. This is probably due to the fact that I've yet to be paid for any artwork I've done, so I don't know what that's like. I can understand why maybe a more elite artist would frown upon this situation. So- The Butcher, maybe you'll get lucky and find a guy like me who's always happy to get exposure, and maybe has some extra time on his hands..
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I agree with Sumaleth and A-13...being an avid gamer, I really just see this as something that parallels the mod community. Most mod developers don't get paid anything and also actively solicit for people to fill needed positions on the mod team (programmer, modeller, texture artist, you name it).
Many of these junior (insert X skill here) people end up gaining valuable skill (and potentially exposure if the mod takes off, a la Counterstrike).
So, just because YOU don't want to work for free and have the luxury (and I use that word with the appropriate amount of tongue in cheek) of being paid for your art, there's no reason to berate the guy for what is essentially, looking to fill a position in a mod team.
My 2 cents from a non-professional-artist. |
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Citizen Cow
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 1:55 pm |
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| fukifino wrote: |
| I agree with Sumaleth and A-13... |
HEY!
All you jerks! I said that first! Agree with me then, if you like, you can start agreeing with everyone else.
Man. No respect. |
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fukifino
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You only agree in so much as Sumaleth says you have to let it slide.
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The Butcher
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:19 pm |
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| well, I see all of your points. Thanks for the feedback, and sorry to you too wren. Your artwork on your site looks great, which is why I know you'd be too expensive for us. I think we found someone though, even off of this site. |
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Wren
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:46 pm |
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| and sorry to you too wren. Your artwork on your site looks great, which is why I know you'd be too expensive for us |
you might be surprised. The most i've gotten for any single image in my portfolio was $100 and you'd fall out of your chair if you knew which ones those are...
Almost all my pay is set by my clients based on their budgets and the type of project they are working on. I don't don't even have set prices. But on average, i get between $15 and $25 per 1/4 page image and I've even done icons and small web buttons for as little as $2 a peice. The industry standard for most pieces starts at $30. And I've been told that's about as cheep as it gets for an expericened artist with published works under their belt. So, it's not like you have to pay large sums of money for good art. There are plenty of us out there that are willing to do it for a very reasonable wage.
I mentioned in another thread and i suppose it bears repeating here that, if you look for an artist the way you'd hire an employee, you are far more likely to get someone who will do the job right at a price you can afford and not waste your time or money. And on the other side of the coin, an artist who will work for free is far more likely to flake out halfway through the job and leave you in a pinch. I'm not saying that's going to happen to you, but it is a pitfall to be wary of. I've seen it happen too many times.
Anyway, i wish you the best of luck with your project. I truly hope everything goes well. 
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Hey you get what you pay for.
Pro-bono work can get you in the door, and in fact helped me get in the door. But after a while you just get sick of working for free.
               
sorry I just wanted to use the icons!
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| I've done a little bit of free stuff. And it's probably the just the projects I did but I didn't find it any more rewarding that doing my own stuff, for free. I did it for strangers that found my site and emailed me with flattering words. One guy in Italy didn't even thank me. I guess he didnt like what I sent him but he could have at least writen me back. bastard. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:37 pm |
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seriously. send that jerk hate mail!
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 11:06 pm |
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I really don't see what the big deal is... I've done several non-pay game projects. Of course a well-seasoned artist that has been a paid professional for years wouldn't jump at this opportunity, but for a person who is just starting out it can be a great way to get your feet wet. You learn to meet deadlines, work as a team, visualize something from beginning to end... and of course you gain experience as an artist.
I didn't know any of the girls that asked me to join the first mod team I was a part of. I didn't know the guy that e-mailed me and asked me to be a part of the second mod I worked on, however briefly. There have been a few cases where I made logos for various gaming clans because a friend of a friend recommended me. I've done a couple of free textures for some people I've never met. I've released free tutorials to the public just for fun. I have released high-resolution photographs for texture bases to the public. I've designed a website for free for a Quake 3 clan my boyfriend was in.
I don't regret doing any of these things. Sure I didn't make any money, but its the experience that really counts the most. I wasn't worth a cent when I did these things either, and for the most part neither were the people I worked with. We were all amateurs and we've all worked our way up into bigger and better places. Several of the people I've worked with in the past are now professionals in the game industry... having a good does of self-experimentation under your belt shows that your dedicated to working because you love what you do, not just because you want the money.
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