[Light]

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[Xyster21]

I like those vehicle sketches you have there.
That car (taxi cab) is almost like if its out of a comic book (compliment).
The faces look kinda creepy though
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[bearsclover]

The cars are pretty good; the chair is pretty good.

The figures hold some promise, but are a little stiff. Not very fluid poses.

The faces need work. Some are OK, expression-wise, (they are expressive--that's good) but some serious attention should be made towards learning and studying facial structure.

Nice to see you drawing.
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[retard]

Great stuff light! Keep it up!

[Drew]

Very loose, which is good. I like your attitude toward recieving positive comments so much that I think it would be a good idea to have the same attitude towards constructive criticism.

[Tinusch]

What techniques?

[oDD]

if you were someone else i would say "draw more from references, study head structure, i can see you don't have too much control over the line so pratice more it will come with time"

BUT I'm talking to you so i will say "it's good to see you are drawing"
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[kimchi]

I agree. I know you're all about 'visualization', Light, but drawing from life and/or using reference would be a huge help here. The sketches do show promise.

Focus on defining planes. Your lines noodle, which shows lack of confidence. Remember, especially digitally, you have ultimate control. If you draw a confident line you aren't happy with, just undo it and try again.

My .02

[bearsclover]

[Light]

Thanks for all the comments.

Nothing much to say really. These are just throw-aways but I do like some of the qualities in these, and I appreciate those who found something in them.

I was actually waiting to reply until I put some more finished works up but I've had a lot happen the last few days, and I haven't been able to work my art as much.

Theres nothing really to say because everyone has stated their opinions, and I listened to those opinions.

I'd just disagree on a few points, and that is that I know head anatomy exceptionally well. But, I will study it more because there is always new things to learn. Like I said originally i was just going for expressions. I know the cranial mass, the front, side, planes, the muscles, the triangle formed by the nose/eyes, the mouth.. etc so I probably know the head better then anything else (artistically). I just find it more difficutl to draw.

As far as "noodling" goes, I don't see much "scratching". I'm fine with noodling but I'm not fine with "scratching", and thats what I've been trying to correct because its a bad habbit of mine.

As far as line control goes, it is true that I can control the line exceptionally well (EXCEPT when the monitor intefers with it). So the additional lines are not any fault of my hand, but indeed it is the fault with my mind.

My own thoughts on these sketches are that I like the expression in them, and the artisticness to them. However, I can see I was holding back, and they are too tentative. I need to be more sure in the future, and more confident.

I will be working on it though.. thanks for all the comments.

[bearsclover]

[kimchi]

It's getting old bearsclover. Learn to ignore, man.

[bearsclover]

It's OK, and you're right. Why bother? We can only make comments based on what we see, but apparently that's meaningless.
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[tbone28]

[Citizen Cow]

Your tutorials ROZZORZ!! I wish one day my art endeavors would take a complete crap so I can churn this out as well.

Obviously you do not need references.

As illustrated below, You know the head VERY WELL. If your subject had downsyndrom Im sure this would be an almost photorealistic sketch.
And I LOVE the way it takes four seperate lines for you to make the outline of a chin!! GENIOUS!
Thank God you are out there making tutorials and single handedly destroying centuries of art practices!!
I bow before you.

[Light]

Here is something I think I will put in my sig line:

"... Negative critism offers the opportunity for a great deal of apparent thinking. It is the refuge of the mediocore mind -- and -- alas the brilliant mind. The mediocore mind is incapable of doing anything else finds critism easy since it is one of the cheapest forms of thinking. By that I mean you can critisice anything at all just by choosing a different frame what you see. For example, if a designer has produced a simple chair you call it "stark", "boring', "prisonlike". Now, if a designer had produced a more elaborate chair you would just have shifted your frame of view and called it "fussy", "pretentious", and "overelaborate" (even "vulgar").
"
Edward De Bono, PG 87-88 De Bono's Thinking Course

Sketch

Definition of:

A hasty or undetailed drawing or painting often made as a preliminary study.
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Here is one more thing to keep in mind:

In any situation where someone is being not aggresive and serious, and there is an agressor then the agressor will almost always win.

If you play Age of Empires then you know that if yuo are aggressive then you win because when the non aggresive person defends you he doesn't really do any damage. Likewise, I'm not being aggresive, and hence I do not drop to the levels of using emotionally charged words or trying to attack someone personally.

And, in chess if you defend then you get blocked in usually, and the agressor wins.

If you are walking down the street, and minding your own business, and a guy runs up and stabs you -- well then he "wins" that encounter.

If you are in politics then the aggressor wins or he will end up taking both of you down.

If two countries of equal strength have a war then the aggressor will usually win because the battle is taking place on the defenders territory.

And, this why some of the people flaming, and bullying always get rewarded because they always win.

And, in art.. the agressor? I don't think he gets anywhere in art.

[kimchi]

[Citizen Cow]

[Matthew]

Hello Light.

I have seen your posts and followed your struggle here for a while now and I thought I might give you some comments about what I have generally learned about forum visits.
One person that stands out and thinks differently will surely get flamed or discussed upon when posting and that is something that increases if the person posts more than others.
Trust me I have been in the same situation as you have and I have been on a lot of forums, still thou I think I have finally started to see things a bit differently.
Most of the people here except newbies knows what kind of struggle it takes to make good anatomy sketches, making good art, and that it takes a lot of practise to get too a point where you feel good and can make good art.
What is suggested here is that you make your best when posting, not a thing I have agreed with and you may have seen my play-around pictures in the speedy and such.
But if you post finished work it has to be the best that you can do. That is how the Forum started out as what I have understood anyway.

Anyway, when I joined here I posted a lot of my stuff and the most of it was crap and maybe the most of my stuff is still crap compared with the pro�s pictures, I can actually see now that I was very annoying back then and I can actually understand now why the flameing and such started.
Still thou I don�t blame them cause now I finally understand how annoying I was.
With your art you must understand that the people wants to see the best from you and when you say that you understand the head anatomy and other parts they want to see that. Otherwise you are not finished, Look at different bones and such in an anatomy book and compare with your sketches.
I am not that fund of giving critique in forums cause it just tends to make me sound like an asshole so I hope you are not thinking of me as a rude person here, just want you to give you tips about flaming and other views that I have started to understand better.
Most people here are also struggling with anatomy and different Shading basics and color theory�s. Feel free to join our struggle in our different themed threads, I have a themed thread called Anatomy studies, poses etc, I think it is on page 2 now in the Finished Gallery.
Regarding other people making circles and ellipses not perfect I beg the differ, there are a lot of artist that can make quick and perfect circles, well almost anyway, not mathematical perfect but you can see a perfect circle. Just look at the Comic how to do books, those guys are pretty good with quick gestures and poses for their characters. Illustrators can usually do good characters cause they start out with building the bones to later add muscles and clothing, I have seen Pencil Illustrators do this anyway.

Also, I guess there will always be different views about what art is. I have a lot of teachers at my school that thinks that Abstract art is the only thing that is art but I don�t like that view but they can think like that if they want too, Still though I think Albert Bierstadt and other older and also newer artists is the best art there is. Still-life�s can also be very inspiring. But I also like Abstract art but it can�t be more art than anything else.
Not sure if you tend to be more Abstract or if you are having a more of impressionistic view but I think those fantasy artists in some way must have studied body�s and maybe looked at other artists to become as good as they were.

Drew said something about to use the shoulder when making strokes to get strokes nice and un-sketchy, I liked that tips he wrote in a thread so I thought I could add it here too, when you are making strokes try to use the whole arm length and you will get nice strokes when sketching.

I am still very cold and I still have fever so maybe some of this sounds strange and unreadable, sorry if that is the case.
I also wanna say this once more, I hope you don�t see me as a rude person and I hope some of my rambling helped you out, it took me a while to see things differently and if I can pass on some things I am glad I can help out.

Have a nice day. :)
Matthew

[Godwin]

[Light]

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[bearsclover]

I can't let this go...

[Light]

Bearsclover don't you ever just shut up?!!

[Tinusch]

Let's all stop arguing. If you don't like his critiques, ignore them. If you don't like his essays, ignore them. If you don't like his drawings, ignore them. No need to attack him, because he really isn't attacking anyone else.

[bearsclover]

[bearsclover]

Light--honey, m'dear.

I don't even write a fraction of what you write.

You've got to be frickin' kidding me.
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[tbone28]

Light. You must be the most delusional person I have met on these forums. Like bearsclover said, anyone can make a head from their imagination without having to mark proportions. Obviously you did not read further in Loomis book because he even says that when you practice the fundamentals you don't need to mark proportions everytime.

And what the hell is this about Brom appreciating you? As if you hang with Brom or something. With all the crap you have dished out I am not supprised you are name dropping. Check my stuff out light I do not use references for anything I have done but that does not mean it is great. And certiantly not your definition of great either.

The other thing is I notice you pull your comments and art right after someone exposes you. That is weak and cowardly.
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[bearsclover]

I shouldn't bother, I know, but I guess I popped a cork for a moment there. Yeesh. If you saw the post that I was able to partially quote (but that he quickly deleted) maybe you'd see what I mean. Or not.

Bottom line, I think that a lot of us (on this thread) wanted to give Light the benefit of the doubt and we tried to give him an honest opinion of his work. The good and bad. I know I made a point of telling him what he'd done well, what he'd done that showed promise, and then I told him what I thought needed improvement. I think a lot of people on this thread have honestly tried to be helpful. Not mean, but honestly helpful.

But he'll have none of that. Whatever. It's painful to see, actually. Maybe that's why I keep trying to pop through that annoying facade he's got going. Because the truth is, we all have good and bad in our work. And it's really painful when we put off the inevitable, which is accepting that truth. I've done that (been in denial) and I've seen others be in denial. (Maybe we're all perpetually in denial about something. It's probably true!) But one thing I do know�when it all finally "comes crashing down," and the truth truly hits home (there's bad and good in our work) it's painful. It can be beyond painful when we've been keeping that denial going for a long time.

I think a lot of us, while frustrated and maybe a little too snarky, have also been trying to clue him in, in hopes of sparing him some of that pain.

But this is not a normal situtation. This person transcends any level of denial I've ever seen. And how much of it is an act, I don't know. So, foolish me, for even trying. I admit it. Foolish, foolish me.
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[Wren]

[Citizen Kane]

OMG, this is the worst idiot I've ever come across in the entire entireness of ANY forum. OMFG, the peeps at eatpoo would tear your ass off and feed it to you apedog style Light!! Oh, and NEVER try to give others advice if you're not willing to give us respect and yourself respect. Don't bother giving me advice on perspective like you did recently if you don't show us you know anything about it. I suggest go to a n00b forum, you can find one by typing 'art forum' in google or something.