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Phyrexial
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 Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:46 pm |
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| Citizen Cow wrote: |
| As far as posting this art - My thought process is, If your not going to take the time to learn art in a way that makes sense and insist on making it almost impossible to truely be a good artist then why should everyone have to take the time to click your post? reply when you whine because no one commented? Listen to you get blasted when you critique a well known artist on how to develop his shading better... |
Was this directed at me? I don't recall whining when no one commented. They did eventually, I just had to wait a bit. The fact that my webspace went down a day or so after posting didn't help. I also don't remember ever critiquing a well known artist on his shading or getting blasted for doing so. Do you have me confused with someone else?
Anyway, I've taken what you've said to heart and I've decided to forgo some of my other hobbies so that I can take the time to "do things right" as you put it. |
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Matthew
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Location: I am out of here for good
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:12 pm |
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| Phyrexial wrote: |
| Citizen Cow wrote: |
| As far as posting this art - My thought process is, If your not going to take the time to learn art in a way that makes sense and insist on making it almost impossible to truely be a good artist then why should everyone have to take the time to click your post? reply when you whine because no one commented? Listen to you get blasted when you critique a well known artist on how to develop his shading better... |
Was this directed at me? I don't recall whining when no one commented. They did eventually, I just had to wait a bit. The fact that my webspace went down a day or so after posting didn't help. I also don't remember ever critiquing a well known artist on his shading or getting blasted for doing so. Do you have me confused with someone else?
Anyway, I've taken what you've said to heart and I've decided to forgo some of my other hobbies so that I can take the time to "do things right" as you put it. |
No that would be directed to me.
What I wanted to show with my overpaint was the process of texture and one way to get a rough surface in photoshop wihout Custom brushes. This one was executed in a speedy�maner and I wasn�t really going for a master-piece to show you, just a picture instead of words.
Sure I could have pointed out some other mistakes but sometimes I feel that the artist himself will find out how to think all around the object after a while when drawing, painting, I like the idea to give motivating answers which push the artist forward and at the same time gives some tips and such.
Phyrex you can�t believe what kind of rude comments and flaming that I have put up with here, I guess people like Citizen and others has as a goal to make a person that isn�t pro to stop posting, I never did that and I guess many people were really fed up with me and my posting and yeah I agree I posted too much in the beginning when I entered here. Or did I? Who�s to say how much a person can post or not? what kind of level he has to be on as an artist? That doesn�t say in any rule book and still all those old members wanna have the feeling back as what the forum used to be, Only pro�s posting. Anyway I could go on fore-ever and I doubt that we will come to any conclusion cause I know the same as you and you know the same as me still thou we can�t agree. Also I am not in the Random Musings anymore so that should make something better, I am so F"#�"#� tired of faustgfx and his stupid ramble earlier. Well
What citizen and everybody else is so hooked up by is my speed-paintings which is for me kind of fast and a different way of thinking, I like doing speedy�s. But what those dudes thinks is that I am not studying anatomy and studying renassaince books, but I am actually and I know the length of fingers and have been able to start to think all around the objects.
But with this said I don�t think I have to say anything more cause Citizen and some others with me has been bugging each-other for a long time now, still I don�t have the biggest problem with Citizen and I tried ones to make peace with him but he didn�t reply.
Anyway, I suggest Phyrexial that you join the speedy and paint away or do a lot of speedy�s on your own.
you can learn a lot by just observe other paintings and see how they solved some things and such.
One more thing, I think some dudes are way to obsessed and negative on some of the anatomy displayed while they at the same time can praise some other artist which don�t have perfect anatomy because he is the hype or whatever.
Well.
It�s time for breakfast
Keep it up Phyrex
Matthew |
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Critical Pete
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 10:34 pm |
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Hmm... Actually, I think I might have been too harsh against Citizen Cow. He means well, but it's easy to view him as being condescending and elitest when he's just trying to help, and that's kind of what I saw him as. I don't really know what's gone on between Matthew and him though. One thing I'm not sure about though, is this whole Sijun becoming devolved somehow. I think Sijun at present is going stronger than it has been in a long time. You need look no further than the speedpainting thread to see that. Sure people like Liquid! and Roundeye and synj may not post as much... but there are many others who more than compensate. So I'm not sure how this place could've gotten worse. A lot of the people who started out not so great when they first arrived ( and people complained about all the newbies ) like Novacaptain for example, have quickly improved and are now hailed as good artists in Sijun. Really there's no reason to look down at people who aren't as good as others because the ones you look down on might become the future greats in a matter of years ( or months as I'm sometimes astonished to see ).
Phyrexial, I commend you on your willingness to learn. You really seem to have a genuine desire to improve and I look forward to seeing you advance. |
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Citizen Cow
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:16 am |
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NO Phyrexial!!! None of that was directed at you in all honesty.
The whole origination of this thread was a talented artist overpainting an image that had so many anatomical flaws that overpainting is the last thing that should be done. It dilutes the artist into thinking that everything with his piece is Dead on but the coloring. I dont have an issue with you Phyrexial at all. Those comments were general "state of the nation" things.
Dont EVER QUIT this or any hobbies. Just dont sup up a Camaro with a lawnmower engine and take it to the races.
I used Matthew as an example because he was brought up as an example of practicing without knowing what you were doing. I simply pointed out that although his technique is getting better the fundamentals are lacking. This is something I have told Matthew since day one. If you cant draw an EAR you can paint like Michael ANgelo but it doenst change that fact that you cant draw an ear. Matthews Website "mascot" has 5 fingers, the Pinky actually being the longest of the all? Of course its a "Monster" so one could argue it is how it should be but when I then looked through the rest of his work, SPeed and regular, I noticed he really has no grasp of what an actual hand looks like.
I actually took the time to save alot of his images to my hardrive and crop them to PM him to point out something he should be working on. But I can only imagine I would get a "NOT EVERYONE IS A PRO, FUCK OFF!" Either way, a hand is a hand, pro or not. I decided it wasnt worth it as he refuses to imrpove his fundamentals.
Like I said, if you have no time, then dont waste it and do things right.
My disclaimer is Im not an artist. Im not good at all. I can be a forum memebr for a DECADE but Ill always be a noob. But Im a noob who wants to improve and wants to do it in a way that makes sense. Ill reach painting and all that in good enough time and when I do my anatomy work will be solid and a good foundation to paint on.
see you,
Citizen COw 
(ps When is SUMA going to Ban me?) |
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Matthew
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:41 am |
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| Citizen Cow wrote: |
But I can only imagine I would get a "NOT EVERYONE IS A PRO, FUCK OFF!" Either way, a hand is a hand, pro or not.
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Come on dude, the only time I was rude with you was when you started to edit my post for lacking in my english as what you said. I was grateful for your comments to me then but when you started to comment on my English language I got in a bad mood, still thou I tried to be nice after that and have been to everyone beside faust and hwslut. I haven�t used any bad language neither besides the times when the flaming was too bad.
If you had replied to my pm I wouldn�t have give you any hard time at all, couldn�t you read that from my pm then?
Anyway, no hard feelings.
have a nice day
Matthew |
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Citizen Cow
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:53 am |
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You might have gotten my post confused with someone elses. I would never comment on Bad English, especially if it wasnt you first language. I can only speak one language  Who am I to comment?
Either way I hope Phyx got something out of this little train wreck. These are always a fun JUMP START for Sijun!
WEEEEEE!!!! |
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Drew
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:04 am |
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| Phyrexial wrote: |
| I don't mean to prolong this thread and I wasn't planning on posting again until I had something a bit more worth showing (or had more questions) but I noticed you guys said that tutorials are basically useless without knowledge of anatomy, color theory, and line weight to name a few. I'm guessing these topics are a bit too broad to explain in this thread but could you point me in the right direction then? I would assume I could find things on this stuff in tutorials, but that wouldn't make sense based on what you said. Anatomy I'm guessing books and/or using models. Color theory I'm completely in the dark on. I thought I saw something about line weight once in a tutorial. |
Yes! YesYesYes! This is the attitude a new artist needs to take. This is the kind of new artist that everyone wants to see here. Instead of looking for "a quick tutorial on anatomy" or some crap like that Phyrexial is trying to find out the basics, which is exactly what he needs. You don't need expensive books or life drawing classes to learn the basics. If you're just a doing this as a hobby, you don't need to spend an enourmous amount of time.
Phyr, head to the local library and look for books with the things I mentioned before. You should be able to find plenty of information on those topics, plus find out about various other things that are too numerous to list here. You can try to find this stuff out on the net, but stay away from articles written by those with DragonballZ fan art in their gallery. As you learn about things like line weight, look at other's art work to see how they use it to their advantage. (BTW, line weight is how a line can be thick or thin and can be used to show volume, mood, and many other things.)
Do you want a free life drawing class? Draw your friends and relatives as they watch TV or eat dinner. Head to the food court of the local mall and draw people eating, walking, standing, sitting. There is nothing that someone at art school can do that you can't. All the same resources are available to you if you look hard and use your creativity.
If you still want to post work here, why not post anatomy studies, life drawing, and color experiments? It's much more encouraging for a somewhat knowledgeable artist to help someone who's working on the basics instead of spending their time trying to beat it into their head that they should be studying anatomy. Keep up your current attitude and you'll find that you will improve very quickly. |
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