[kirikaxchloe]

hello hello,

I'm gonna be a junior next year so I have to start preparing a portfolio. I'm really interested in going to a college mostly for illustration/graphics (and to a lesser degree fashion design/illustration and fine arts). I've heard of Academy of Art in california and the Ringling in Florida....
Which one is considered the best? and which one is good for what? any suggestions for other colleges?
Does anyone have sample pictures of how good i have to be to get into these colleges?

Thanks
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[gman]

I don't know about the California one, but I do know about Ringling...I live 20 mintues away from it. Anyways, Ringling is very good. I've taken classes there, and I've had some great teachers. Also, the campus is pretty nice and the student population is only like 2000 or so. I talked with a senior at Ringling, and he said that getting in there isn't too hard. He doesn't know about the upcoming year, but he said that the last two years they let in a lot of bad artists, perhaps they needed the money.

I don't have any sample pictures I could show, but I know from seeing other people's stuff at Ringling that the standards aren't incredibly high. Just make sure your taking as many art classes as possible in HS, and that you get a good recomendation and write a good essay. Of course, your portfolio is the most important thing, I think the main thing they expect in a portfoilio is some variety and well done work.

[aColdOldKodiak]

Acadamy of Art College has a websitehttp://www.academyofartcollege.com
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[aphelionart]

academy of art doesn't even require a portfolio, how that works i still don't understand, but when i realized that i decided to just drop them entirely, even tho i'd already been accepted (and even sent in a portfolio.. thought id read the app wrong!). ringling seems pretty cool... visited it, and the beaches nearby are pretty nice.. they wouldn't let me sit in on any classes and had no reason aside of "it's not practical" or something... i will say they hav good alumni connections, so that's a definite plus. their animation is supposed to be superb (although getting into the animation classes these days is getting really hard - theyll wanna see lots of figure studies in ur portfolio), and the other classes seemed at least pretty decent. i myself chose pratt, because i think they're better in the traditional area, which is where i want to focus...

-matt

[kirikaxchloe]

Is academy of Art a really good art college for illustration? I'm kind of scared about going into just art alone (thinking about money too) so I want a college where i can get a business degree as well or something. Any other colleges in America??? or canada possibly?
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[Gyst Hyu]

Well I'm sure you can find a lovely art school somewhere that has a conjunction with another liberal arts school. Like Milwaulke for example has another college that its students can attend to get classes in non-art related subjects 'n' things. Problem is tht its friggin expensive.

[ultrahsu]

i went to the academy of art in the city...
i think what u'll find here is like a lot of other schools, some really motivated individuals, n some losers who goes to art school cuz they want to. what will separate u from these individuals is ur urge 2 be the best in ur class n also 2 be the best artist u can. there r many good instructors at the school, the school is not accredited *sp?* sometimes they r, sometimes they're not, cuz they're all about money. but anyways, i found it extremely helpful n its a good school for illustration. there's also the art center in pasadena, ca. craig mullins went there 4 a bit i believe... n hey, living in san francisco is just awesome in my opinion. art center is very professional, they go by trimesters, but they're also more expensive, n its in pasadena... i hate socal.. hot n smoggy... well i digress, hope this helps. some really good illustrators who teach at AAC r... KAZU mothabadass SANO, if u've seen his stuff u know what i mean, craig nelson, bill maugh, n many others i forget at the moment...
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[Drew]

Man that response was a pain to read.

[ultrahsu]

u're one liners r not very funny, chill the $%^ out.
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[AndyT]

[Citizen Cow]

[kirikaxchloe]

Citizen Cow - I'm a girl and not lesbian or bi so no particular reason for Florida or California. But the reasons why I mentioned those colleges is because those are the only good illustration colleges that I know about. I thought Columbia was in New York, not Chicago? any more suggestions for different colleges so I can cross enroll as well?

Is RISD any good for illustration? because my friend said I can cross enroll into Brown... if I qualify.

Right now I'm in an animation class at parsons (I dont know why I'm in an animation class for parsons considering parsons isn't for animation...) but I just realized i semi-hate this tedious work. <rant> And not to mention I'm using Flash and not a real animation program... or even traditional stuff like cells. </rant>
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[ultrahsu]

ever heard of e e cummings? why follow rules? For someone who claims to be an artist, you sure are being tight asses. This is an art forum, not an english forum, if you can't read my post don't read it. You don't have to make fun of people just so you can feel a little special about yourself. I can punctuate and type just fine, why waste my time to type you when u is just as well. I actually spend my time working and doing art, so get over it. Anyone in the illustration field who doesn't know kazu should go edumacate themselves. Sense of humor guys, and don't be asses and insult others with dumb s**t like "ghey", that just goes to show what a bigot you are.
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[ultrahsu]

parsons is definitely not the school for illustration...
academy is just fine... u should call n ask for a catalog. its easier on the budget than art center.
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[Citizen Cow]

[ultrahsu]

I guess there are insecure people everywhere. Why is it every in every forum there are those who likes to start shit and drama? who likes to stick their nose where it doesn't belong. You have nothing to offer to this post except to ridicule someone, feel better about yourself? wonderful. Just because I choose to type shorthand doesn't mean I'm illiterate. The message is still the same, no matter which way i choose to type. You're the type of person who would go to another country and complain about how people don't speak english. You're quick to judge, judge a whole school just by one single post? but whatever. How egocentric of you to think you can tell someone what to do. Perceive what you will, as you wish, don't judge a book by its cover as they say. n i'm gonna type however way i want, u're a free person, don't read it. in this forum the art is what matters. if u wanna get hung up on the other lil ish go ahead. all i know is none of the real artists in here or a real person would jump in a post n type the ish u typed.

oh n someone who's "considerate" would be considerate of other ppls feelings besides their own, so sorry, ur attempt at sarcasm only goes to show ur hypocrisy. end of posts on this subject, don't drag this out.
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[Citizen Cow]

The three posts past yours were dedicated to the difficult way you communicate. Your repsonse was " Chill the Fuck out"


Thats kinda harsh. You get what you give.

At least my post stayed on topic and further more tried to communicate further to you what the others meant.

Stick around for awhile and see the flow of the forum and content of the posts and maybe you will see things differently.

And Ill drag this out as long as the mods let me.

[dr . bang]

Ultrahsu, take it easy, its just that your spelling make it difficult for people who are trying to read what you're writings. Thats it, nothing more and nothing less. You're over reacting here.
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[Citizen Cow]

Due to recent events unrelated with this thread I find myself inclined to apologize to SUMA in advance for carrying on.....
SUMA you are Benevolant.

[Rychan]

http://www.scad.edu/ is well respected. (in Georgia, at least. I really wouldn't know the relative rankings of art schools)

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/unranked/art/art_brief.php has a list of art schools, in no order. Would be a good way to find their web sites and look around, though.


http://www.artic.edu/ , http://www.risd.edu/index.cfm , ttp://www.yale.edu/art/ , http://www.sanfranciscoart.edu/ are among the more highly regarded, I think. My undergraduate institute has no art majors, but I've heard good things about the art school at my graduate institution: http://www-art.cfa.cmu.edu/ , although their web site is nothing to look at.

[SpiralEye]

SCAD is well-respected. . . .I go there.

It costs a LOT! Like $20K a year. I have scholarships and things that make it affordable for me, but most of the students are in at least $60K of debt when they graduate, though usually more.

Honestly, I don't know what would be agood place to go for illustration, but I highly recommend getting your finances straight BEFORE starting school. That may mean waiting a year to make sure you have the scholarships and loans to go, etc.

Nothing more depressing than going to art school for a year and then being kicked out because you can't afford to go back. Gotta friend in that situmation.

[Wayne Johnson]

Cheaper and mostlikly better than any college is...

Famous Artist School,
Famous Artist Course in Commercial Art, Illustration, and Design.

Founded by :

Albert Dorne, Norman Rockwell, steven dohanos, Harold Von Schmidt, Al Parker, austin Briggs, Fred Ludekens, Peter Helck, robert Fawcett, jon Whitcomb, John atherton, Ben stahl.

Advisory board :

Steven Dohanos, Bernard fuchs, Lorrain Fox, Mark English, Joseph Hirsch, Robert Peak, Georg Giusti, dong Kingman, Franklin McMahon, will Barnet, Robert Heindel

Founded and advised by some of the greatest illustrators of our century, the Famous Artist School is probubly the best Illustration, Design instruction there is.

It's a two year corrispondance couse that is graded by working proffessionals in the illustration field. It starts off pretty basic but quikly becomes very challenging!

Big names in the industry have taken and completed the couse as either supplimental to collage or that is all they did, Bernie Wrightson for one example.

It's only $500.00 or so and you can make payments.


Hear is the link.

http://www.famous-artists-school.com/fas_html/home.html
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[mutok]

you're not going to find an overall art school that is the best, because it does not exist. the departments are usually individually managed, so in order to find the best school for you, you need to decide what your priorities are and look by department, professors, student work, and location.

contrary to an earlier post, i think parsons has a very proficient illustration program based on the work i saw this year at their senior illustration/animation exhibition. there are other factors involved with what makes a department work, but student work is generally a good indicator. (however, if realism is what you are after, i did see very little of that in the show).

from my experience of art schools, the major names are risd, art center, mica, the art institute of chicago, the school of the museum of fine arts boston, parsons, the school of visual arts nyc, the kansas city arts institute, tyler, ringling, pratt, cooper union, calarts, and savannah. i'm sure i'm forgetting something. maybe the california schools. there are also some small ones in texas that get quite a bit of press.

remember that there are always exceptions, and that a great student can make a lot out of a poor program, and a poor student can fail in an excellent environment.

cooper has a reputation because it's free, but it is exceptionally hard to get into and only worthwhile if you are interested in fine arts, architecture, or engineering.

risd has great illustration, great fine arts, great industrial design, good animation, and (relatively) poor graphic design.

art center is the west coast leader for graphic design and photo, and they have excellent programs in automotive design and illustration.

mica is fine arts all the way, especially painting and sculpture.
the art institute of chicago is good all around, especially with illustration.

smfa is a do-it-yourself program. don't go here if you want traditional structure.

parsons is key for fashion design (they have more funding and better showings than the fashion institute of technology in nyc, and that pisses off the fashion design majors at fit � i know a few).

sva is all about graphic design. they share the top gd honors with art center and tyler. sva also has a premier computer arts department. not so good for fine arts (because of the student body, not the faculty). good for illustration. (i go there as a gd major). awful with paperwork, organization, student life, but some of the best teachers you can get. seriously. all of the professors are working professionals in their fields which is both a good thing and a bad thing. they are relevant, capable, (most are) young, and motivated. unfortunately, that also splits teaching priorities.

kcai is great for someone unsure of what they want to go into and has one of the strongest foundations programs in the country. known for its enormous sculpture program.

tyler has a great gd program and good fine arts. i'm not too sure about the rest. its campus is pretty shoddy (elkins park, pa... north of north broad section of philly / temple university), but it is better than some campuses i've seen.

ringling is growing in size and reputation, and i don't know too much about it.

pratt is dirty but they have a lot of parties. lots of rats but hot girls. they run the art frat parties in new york. i've heard bad things from the students, but the campus is supposedly decent. mostly fine arts i think.

i know that calarts has a great gd program and a great animation program. those might not be its greatest strengths, but i know people of both of those majors who go there and speak highly of it. it's a mixed environment with performance arts, so that adds to the culture. an oasis of creativity cut off from a lot. it was started by disney, actually.

savannah is usually looked down upon by admissions counselors. it is has a pretty bad rep among other art schools for its teachers and organization. can't give more details, but everyone i know who has been involved with scad (present board company excluded) has shunned it. i've never been there so i can't back it up.