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SiD
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 7:25 am     Reply with quote
First, hello Smile



This is an older Picture of my grandfather, my parents whant me to repair the photo (the holes and "scratches"). Well my expiriences with photoshop not quite so good that i can do this easily. I postet this in a nother german artist forum and they sayed i should go hier, cause the people in this forum are "better" for those stuff.

so show me your photoshop skills (if you want) Wink

Orginal Scan: 5724x7916 @ 13,3mb (.tif)

http://mitglied.lycos.de/sid2003/Torsten.tif

wiht good greetings

p.s.: sorry for my bad english
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:23 am     Reply with quote
a jpg is a better medium for the web Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:38 am     Reply with quote
Do you have another photo with the woman's face? Without that detail, it would have to be recreated from the retoucher's library and it probably would be from someone that doesn't look like her Smile Other than that, it's not too bad. I might give it a shot myself, just for practice. I'll email it to you if I do...uhm, if you want to post your e-mail.

later,
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 9:12 am     Reply with quote
There was a thread about how to go about this for painters at EK about 4 months ago. If you want to know nonpainterly filteresque ways of going about it I can tell you how. Both methods take about the same amount of time.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 10:57 am     Reply with quote
I have a nother picture, but i didn't have a scanner Sad

If there exists any tutorial for repairing photos, give it to me.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 10:03 pm     Reply with quote
Hi SiD,

Mind if I download your TIFF file and play with it in Painter? That's my program of choice, though I do have Photoshop 5.5.

I'd like to see what I can do with it.

I agree about your grandmother's face. If there's not enough information left in the current photo, we'd need some other photo to even attempt to restore that part.

Thanks in advance, Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 12:12 am     Reply with quote
u know i'm sure i've seen this photo somewhere b4..
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:54 am     Reply with quote
How can a thing like that be fixed with filters?

Also, if anyone is doing an overpaint job I would like to see an approach on how to do it, where do you start and how do you fix let�s say the facial parts.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:20 am     Reply with quote
This is not a tutorial, but a rough guide with suggestions.

Repair it the filter way:

1) All the missing bits are going to need to be repaired manually. I suggest using the rubber stamp tool for the larger areas that lack great details. Then I suggest the paint brush tool for the tiny areas or places that need great details.

2) Use the lasso selection tool to outline the woman, and copy into a new layer. Then do the same with the man into a different layer.

3) The background can be easily blurred, altered, or scraped completely once the man and woman are out. I suggest using blurring as a quick fix to the background. To make this really good you might consider putting in a different background of a similar nature.

4) The people need to be sharpend. To get better color seperation try to duplicate the layer with the man and set this new layer to Overlay. It is complicated to suggest how to do this with filters, because it demands that you know how to use filters. It also demands an accurate mix of filters and paintbrush tool. I suggest doing all work on a seperate layer apart from the original man/woman layer. This way you can screw it all up, and come back to the original layer you created.

5) Once you sharpen the people you are about 90% done as far as time of project. You can now add a shadow to push the people out from the wall a bit. You can now add a bit of color using a brown layer set to overlay. In newer layers you can adjust the image lighting using layer modes with bright layers for a bit of a precise cheap lighting effect. You can also go back and retouch some of the detail shadows on the people, or add larger shadows for more drama.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:38 am     Reply with quote
ahh ok that explains it, thank you cheney. :)

cheers
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:55 am     Reply with quote
cheney it's pretty interesting what you are saying, but i think you are overeacting. He wanted to repair it (get rid of scratches and holes) not to make it a better or more dramatic photo.

Few years ago i repaired few photos for my father. i will write about it more and show some samples when i get back from work.

yes and the hole in the face is the biggest problem...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 12:40 pm     Reply with quote

Larger size (300dpi | jpg): http://equinox.homelinux.net/public/uplfolders/upload5/TorstenJPG.jpg

Just a "quickie" (around 2hours).

Image restoration like this in Photoshop 7 is a 100 times easier over previous versions, but it's all about knowing the tools, and how to use them. The healing brush, patch tool, magic wand, normal brushes, adjustment layers - they are all a part of the progress.

And as has been said earlier, it's impossible to recreate the womens face without a proper reference. You could alwayes try to recreate the face withouth a reference, but it would surley end up looking like a totaly different person, so I wouldn't recommend it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:19 pm     Reply with quote
Holy ... Shocked Shocked !!!

And some people say you don't get anything for free these days ...
That's amazing KaPski!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:58 pm     Reply with quote
KaPski - that is amazing, can you explain the process a little bit more precise cause I really wanna learn that process? :) Please. :)

thank you
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:08 pm     Reply with quote
KaPski very nice work

i just want to show what i did in 1999 in photoshop (5 ?). as you can see i didnt repaired everything, i was a complete noob back then and...

90 % of the time i used the clone stamp tool. That way i still got the oryginal texture

i always thought about writing tutorial on repairing pics cause i lerned it myself by practice Razz

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:12 pm     Reply with quote
Thanks for the positive feedback guys.

But as I look at the image I see lots of stuff that needs to be fixed...

oDD: Nice work with the building! I know the pain of using the clone stamp Crying or Very sad


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can you explain the process a little bit more precise


Beware though... I'm no expert in this area, I've learned everything on my own...


As I wrote previous, I did it all in photoshop 7, and I wouldn't do it in any other program, that's for sure.

I started out with the healing brush to the right of the man (the background). Unlike the "Clone Stamp", the healing brush not only copy the texture from a source, it also adjust the brightness and color to where you apply it, blending it niceley into the background.
I cleared one small area of dust and scratches, and continued from there with the patch tool, which is like a combination of the 'Healing brush' and the 'magic wand' and lets you work over a larger area fast and easy. With the 'patch tool', you select a larger area (in the same maner as with the magic wand), and then drag the selection to where you want it, and then Photoshop adjust it so it blends niceley into the background.

In previous version you would've had to use the clone stamp, which only copy the texture.

Well... Then it's just a matter of going through the whole image with the healing brush and patch tool, fixing the things that can be fixed.
For the larger broken parts, you'll need to use the brush tool and paint in the missing parts, before applying proper texture using the healing brush and patch tool.

After going throug the whole image, fixing what needed to be fixed (which was allot in this photo) it's just needs some adjustment layers.
For this image, I first converted it into RGB to be able to add a 'Colour balance' layer and added som Red and Green. I then added a 'Hue/saturation' layer to slightly change the Hue and Saturation. After that I added 2 'Levels' layers. The first one with a mask so it only effected the left side of the photo (set so it would make it darker, making the background more visible), and the second one set to make the whole image look "better".

Not really a step by step tutorial, but anywayes.. Wink

Let me know if there's something I need to explain more in detail.

Oh.. and blame the beer for my all the misstakes Arrow
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:02 am     Reply with quote
Shocked Shocked Shocked

beautifull work, thx a lot man Smile

also thx from my parents, so now i need just to find a good printer Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:16 am     Reply with quote
KaPski - That�s great, thank you for the explanation there. :D

see you
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:35 pm     Reply with quote
That is really impressive. I've done a fair share of retouching photographs (well in high school at least), but what you did, and your explanation took my understanding to a new level.

For the face, a good portrait artist could fix it up -- with a good reference. of course. I'd give it a shot myself if I had one.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:43 am     Reply with quote
odd that is nuts!!! how did u do the sharpenning of the posts?
it looks to clean to be the sharpen tool

am i right u can get some nice money from clients for repairing photos?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:51 am     Reply with quote
The only thing I would suggest doing differently, is correcting your image's biggest problem first (like a color caste), especially if you're sampling from other areas in the image. The reason to do this is that there may be color and contrast differences you can't detect with the eye until you do the color correction. You could end up making someone's face 2 different colors. This is really useful if you correct stains first, because you'll gain that area to sample from. Do your big problems first and work down and I bet your images will start requiring less effort.

good luck guys,
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