[Awetopsy]

So, How was it?


Im actually surprised there hasnt been any reviews or new topics on this yet....

so far, Ive heard more negative reviews than positive (something like 10/2)

[Fafnir]

it was pretty ok. some parts rocked... hardcore.

i like any kind of movie so i'm pretty open to stuff. even though when some of it isn't very good.

it was entertaining, just like the first one.
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[Drunken Monkey]

I thought it was quite alright. More of the same good old Matrix. First movie did have a little more substance though.

The whole Zion orgy was not necessary in my opinion... but what do i know.

They were right, i cant wait for Revolutions... I wish i had the transcript of what Architect said, so i can better understand it... god damn language barrier.

alt.binaries.movies.divx might be of help
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[The Dude]

here is the transcript of what neo and the architect say with fancy color coding to explain major plot points, haven't actually read it myself so i don't know how valid the colors are...

http://www.geocities.com/clark_kent0002/index.htm

I thought it rocked hard core the first time i saw it, eye-candy really entertains me, second time certain things caused it to be pretty okay (just came from it) this time, but eye candy was sweet!

Also, here is another link that looks to be really informative about the philosophical and religious connotations of the films.

http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm

And if you didn't say for the 8 minutes of credits to watch the teaser trailer for revolutions, here is a link that might still have a similar teaser that comes with the matrix game.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/m/matrix3.php

it is the one that says "Trailer on Enter the Matrix Game..."

gotta go!

Oh ya, I'm such an idiot... I never noticed that the letters from neo spell one until I watched the first matrix again right before reloaded premiered...it must be from playing text-twist and other word games on my PDA of late, bla bla bla
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[Fafnir]

holy shit! that trailer is better then the one after the credits.

that one looks pretty damn cool. they saved all the nifty gun fights for last it looks like.

hmm, nope. i can't wait for the third one. hopefully the dvd of reloaded will be out.

thanks!
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[The Dude]

no problem, couple things...

originally the wachowskis wanted to release the 2nd and 3rd movies one month apart, but the studio was dead set against that plus they apparently have their hands full doing post production and effects stuff so the movie wouldn't be ready anyways

November is what i hear, with reloaded out on DVD before that

i also read that Joel Silver (producer) said that GM donated 300 cadillacs to the 2nd and 3rd movies and they wrecked them all... i don't know about you, but from the scenes in reloaded i can't see them wrecking 300 caddies so there must be some crazy car scenes in the 3rd one
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[the_insider]

i thought it was a work of art...im going to see it again...i agree with the zion orgy
...i think it was ok they added it just it carried on for far too long
----one question,....i heard somehow, ingeniously the writers or
something incorperated religion with the matrix---the names like neo and
trinity mean something with regards to religion...true or false?
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[Drunken Monkey]

The Dude, thanks! Very very cool.
Now i really can't wait for Revolutions... where are my sedatives.

That trailer looks great. I really like matrix kung-fu and Smith is so charismatically insane haha.

Insider, the movies are stuffed full with religious references. Thats not really a secret. Its been known since the first movie. Everything is teaming with them... wachiwskis said you wont be able to find all of them (references) even if you tried.
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[SolarC]

There wasn't much dialogue in the movie. Which was nice, because most of the conversations were eather recycled oneliners from matrix 1 or bad philosophy anyways.

Effects rocked hard.

[Sumaleth]

This film was a huge disappointment to me. The first half was yawn-inducing boring, and the second half was a series of very shallow action sequences.

In the first film they managed to convey all their exposition in interesting ways, and their action sequences were filled with real character. In Reloaded the exposition is all done by way of dull "talking heads" scenes, and the actions sequences have no character at all (well, Smith had character in his big scene).

I did, however, like the last two scenes - the chat with the Architect, where they cleverly twist the "the one" plot on it's head, and where Neo downs the sentinels, which hints at various possibilities (the matrix is not what we think it is, or "reality" is just another level of the matrix, or the matrix is based on some facet of reality that we're unaware of, or they're not really out of the matrix yet [boring], or something else even bigger).

But that's two good story scenes in a $1.3M movie. So I was disappointed. Not a patch on the first film.
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[tilokani]

I noticed that Matrix Reloaded was basicallay milking from the original. It was a rabid, un-solid story binded together by memorable fight scenes, which didn't leave the audience in awe as the first did. However, unlike most sequels, it continued the story forward, progressing it towards an ending. I didn't enjoy it as much as I expected, and most of my friends feel the same way. However as Sumaleth said, the last scenes proved to be the movie-goer's buck's bite, par se.

Also, in response to Drunken Monkey, I just recently noticed on the cover of the VHS copy of The Matrix, (don't know about the DVD) the background halograph was inverted in an elliptical shape around Neo's head, compared to Jesus' halo who his character represents.
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[Atrophy]

I dunno, I loved the second one. My mindset was 'Jeez, I can't wait to see Reloaded so I can see more friggin' bullet time and see how much more badass Neo got.... And well, it delivered. I didn't think much of the Zion dance scene(good or bad). I saw some boobies and I was fine, the idea of a love scene with guys in it is inherently flawed anyway so I knew I wouldn't be walkin' away with that scene in mind...

The one problem that my friends(and my lil brother) had, was the fact that you needed a higher than 9th grade language comprehension level to understand some of it.(Namely the architect scene) I say shame on my friends and considering the fact that my lil bro is an 8th grader, I'll let him slip this time.

I hear a lot of peeps upset cause it's a remake of the first or too closely related... it's a friggin Trilogy for Chrissake! If the plot was all of the sudden COMPLETELY different for each instalment of a movie that should be meant to be seen all in a row, I'd think the writers had A.D.D. or somethin'.

The_insider: Tons of biblical ref in these bad boys. Trinity, the Nebucanezer, Neo being the 'savior of man'. Hell, in the first movie the raver-guy from Lock, Stock and Two smoking Barrels even calls him, "my own personal Jesus Christ"... it's cool.

Nonetheless, I loved it. Wanna see all three at the Imax <-(is that how you spell it?). Oh yeah, and the things about 'Everytime you've heard about Aliens or Ghosts and blah blah blah', I thought at first were SO cheese, but after she used the silver bullets on the one guy it turned out to be pretty cool... that's all, I leave now.
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[eyalyab]

as an addict of the first Matrix movie, i have to say this one was plain bad.
the first movie had the concept, a good plot and some nice effects.
reloaded had just the effects. no real plot, no concept, no point.
i heard reloaded and revolutions were written as 1 story, and that it was split just to increase revenues, which is pretty cheap-assed of the makers to do, and they deserve to DIE for it. however, it might explain the lack of plot (or full plot). There were some good effects that were fun to watch but besides that it was a bumch of half-assed philosophical wannabe phrases inbetween scenes where neo just hits some more agents. i expected more out of this movie, and it came out to be a disappointment. =/

[azz]

I liked it very much. Plot is not straightforward, and thus may seem "weak". However Animatrix episodes fill some gaps, and probably the game also. Must say I like it that way when the bits fall into right places if you think more about it. And I don't care that much about philosophy.
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[Matthew]

I liked it very much too, wow, Neo in superflying destiny. I think Neo means One and that trinity meant Destiny of some kind, or am I wrong there?

I think that, a could be situation :
They have been in Matrix all the time and it could be that Zion and everything else is MAtrix too, and maybe Neo is a program?

anyway, great movie.

Unfortunately no-one can be told what Matrix is you have to see it for yourself.
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[Atrophy]

Don' think Zion is part of the Matrix cause the Architect says, "...and coupled with the destruction of Zion..." when talking about the 'Masive system crash', which lends the fact that they are in fact separate. If Zion were part of the matrix and there was a system crash it would be gone as well.

I think Neo also means New, Matt.
Azz: I like it when the things just fall together too. Makes me feel warm inside when I discover something that was meant to be. Like needing 5 bucks then finding it in the laundry.
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[Drunken Monkey]

/me looks at matthews post...
/me shakes head...


Anyway. After reading the transcript of what the Architect said, i very highly doubt that there is a nested/layered matrix and neo is a program. Unless architect is lying and Wachowskis are less original than i thought they wore...

I've watched the first one this morning... there is definetly no comparison. It should have probably been a 'twology'. First one is just so much better glued together... there is nothing in it that seems forced or are there any scenes that look as though they dont belong. I guess they decided that they can easiy milk two blockbuster showings out of one good concept and stretched everything out ... into 2 movies. A buddy of mine went a second time and fell asleep. I hope the third one is better.

tilokani, i didnt notice that. But i'll check it out. Good catch ;]
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[Matthew]

Drunken Monkey - Maybe you can explain for me what I said was so wrong so that you had to shake your head? Just curious really, do you think that I don�t know anything or what?

Matthew

[lalPOOO]

hmm, as a person that didnt watch a single trailer, avoided pictures, newspapers, avoided watching tv for 2 weeks to be sure he didn't even see a single commerical, and generally threatened death on anyone planning to talk about anything involved matr---, i must say i'm rather sad.

The movie was great, but it was just a bit better then x-men great. It wasn't enough for me, their over use of the 3d was kind of lame, because it'll be spit upon in a year or two. ESPECCIALY WITH THE TWINS, their ghost form was just terrible. I know I sound like i'm bitching, so I won't point out more of the strange things...like the invincible caddilac but its just like an A+ student dropping out of school because hes taking drugs and fathering whores babies. Obiviously not that bad, but i'm still saddened.

On the other side of things, I don't see why Neo didn't just kill the architect. It may seem rather brutish and stupid at first, but other then the architect, who's forcing him to make any choice? and the title architect just seems to imply that he designed it. Doesn't nessacarily mean that he has the power to stop neo. Another thing, the creator is either a program, a human, or some kind of sentient machine 'logged in' to the matrix, and seeing as Neo has the ability to change whatever code he sees fit, he shouldn't have problem.

But the movie was deffinitly worth seeing, because i have more hope for the 3rd one, and it'd be kind of stupid to miss the second.

matthew: Your suggestion of zion being part of the matrix doesn't make sense. The whole idea is that in order for the system to continue functioning, every reiteration of the matrix has a "revolution" going on in the backround, to keep humans accepting the matrix.


another thing I just thought of is, how far into the future does the simulation of the matrix extend. If you were looking closely or if you weren't blind, you might have seen the new phones and gun and car, but I wonder if they're going to "invent" new objects for the next one, or if they already did. Because its kind of strange that Neo's been "the one" for almost 4 years and had just freed some people. I don't know, its getting late so i'm pretty tried, so uh if this doesnt make sense, don't hold me accountable.